MOT - Mini Oxygen Treatment

[ainee]

G'day all -Thank you - especially Lady express 44 - for asking me to detail my MOT treatment on a new thread - jena1225 - and to Jmak for starting the thread on MS. Before I experimented with VB1, I knew nothing about vitamins. The instructions with the first bottle I bought, said it was used in larger doses for those with alcoholic poisoning. As time went on, I researched it in the Encyclopaedia Britannica, then about 2006 I did research on the internet - about animal illness' which need VB1 - I don't recall reading why VB1 was needed by humans, except info in the EB about Vitamin B1 - " used to prevent beriberi, a disease characterized by multiple neuritis (lesions on nerves), general debility and painful rigidity."
There yuh go - that brings tears to my eyes reading it again, knowing what I know now.
I'm NOT claiming MOT to be a cure for MS or anything else - but I believe it will give better health to many. Please see your doctor before changing any medication..
It certainly isn't a secret potion (smile), it just increases the amount of oxygen we need in our body, nerves, organs, tissues, cells, brain etc to keep them healthy or to repair the damage done, of unknown cause, or through injury and/or toxin we are subjected to, even years before any symptoms arise.

MOT - Mini Oxygen Treatment - taken 3 or 4 times a day - it increases the temperature of the body as if excercising, increases the heart rate, increases blood and oxygen circulation 24/7.
It took 18 months of experimentation, and documentation before I got the dose rate + quantity right for my body weight. I was 14st or 87 kgs.
Anyone 9st or 57kgs or less, would only need half my dose quantities, 3 or 4 times a day. The secret is in experimentation to find the right amount - for the body weight.
I took 250mgs Vitamin B1 - 3 (sometimes 4) times a day ( because of my weight, I rose this dose gradually to 500mgs) Do NOT take VB1 if on pain relief.
OR - 1000mgs Vitamin C as a dose (I rose this gradually to 3000mgs as a dose)
OR one teaspoon Vanilla Essence in milk, water, food etc.
OR one teaspoon Vanilla Extract in milk, water, food etc.
OR one teaspoon treacle (or molasses) in warm water etc.
OR one teaspoon brown vinegar in water or juice.
OR one dessertspoon of honey (any kind) off the spoon or in drink or with food.
There are probably many more - but the above were easily available to me.

I can take which ever ONE of the above I choose at each dose. I found it doesn't matter what I take that matters, but what it does when it gets into my body - by raising the temperature etc. There is no fear of overdosing and if I forget to take it when I should, my symptoms soon reminded me. It wasn't an overnight "fix it all", I was very ill for some months.
I had a quick onset of horrific symptoms in 2001 - I'd been trying the VB1 for only two weeks, when I developed horrific symptoms which were also suppressed by the VB1. I found each dose suppressed my symptoms within 10 minutes to one hour for a few hours.
When I rose the dose to suit my weight, I felt a creeping sensation in my skin. I felt funny feelings which I soon realised were reversal feelings of the cramps, twitches, tics etc. I also had hugh tremors and vibrations at times. These were a bit scary till I realised my symptoms were reversing and I was feeling a bit better as time went on. After 18 months of experimentation, my symptoms started to reverse. It took another year to gain reasonably good health that I have today, not a 100% but pretty close to it some days, with only a few slight symptoms now which I can live with.
As I hadn't had my horrific neurological symptoms over many years - nor similar symptoms to MS until 2001, I don't know how long MOT would take to reverse MS symptoms that have displayed for many years.
I believe MOT will give many better health - many illnesses and conditions lack oxygen in our body - and blood circulation - which carries oxygen to the nerves, organs, tissues, cells and brain.

Jmak - why is activating the immune system dangerous for those with MS? Maybe lack of blood flow and oxygen could be the reason for lympth system conditions. I found that the lungs work the muscles, which work the lympth system - so many illnesses and conditions could begin because of lack of blood and oxygen circulation. Aneamia is one of the first signs of many illnesses - aneamia is lack of oxygen in the blood. So MOT may be used as a
preventative treatment. Sorry for the long post - but I think it is important to give this info.
Have a nice day.
ainee.

[Braindead]

Feel free to AGREE to DISAGREE with people. But you MUST let people have their opinion and allow them to state it without attacking them personally. (Taken from BT ToS).

[Annie123]

Braindead, thank you for your effort to censor this thread from me, but I feel I'm capable of making up my own mind about many things in life, even if I'm the only one who thinks so.

Ainee posted info others specifically asked for. Perhaps you missed where she said that changes to meds should not be done without first talking to one's doctor?

I'm interested in learning about all the ways in which people treat their symptoms since I failed all the so-called standard treatments (each experimental at best) such as yucky steroids, awful CRABs (all of them) and horrible chemotherapies -- wouldn't you agree that I've paid my price and earned the right to investigate other treatments?

Thank you again for trying to protect me, but I think Ainee's thread should be allowed to stay......... she's not the first to talk about B vitamins, and I'd love to get ahold of some pure oxygen

My best to all.

[Braindead]

Originally Posted by Annie123

Braindead, thank you for your effort to censor this thread from me, but I feel I'm capable of making up my own mind about many things in life, even if I'm the only one who thinks so.

Ainee posted info others specifically asked for. Perhaps you missed where she said that changes to meds should not be done without first talking to one's doctor?

I'm interested in learning about all the ways in which people treat their symptoms since I failed all the so-called standard treatments (each experimental at best) such as yucky steroids, awful CRABs (all of them) and horrible chemotherapies -- wouldn't you agree that I've paid my price and earned the right to investigate other treatments?

Thank you again for trying to protect me, but I think Ainee's thread should be allowed to stay......... she's not the first to talk about B vitamins, and I'd love to get ahold of some pure oxygen

My best to all.

Feel free to AGREE to DISAGREE with people. But you MUST let people have their opinion and allow them to state it without attacking them personally.

[lady_express_44]

Thank you for taking the time to detail what it is that you found helpful for your neurological symptoms, Ainee.

As with any "alternative treatment", once we know what it is, we need to evaluate the safety and risks associated to it. Since I don't know anything about Vitamin B1, I thought I'd start pulling together some notes here from internet searches. Please feel free to correct or challenge anything that I may have misunderstood.

"How Much Vitamin B1 Is Enough?

Women should have 1.1 milligrams every day, and men should have 1.5 milligrams every day."

http://www.lifeclinic.com/focus/nutr...vitamin-b1.asp

You are suggesting approx. 750mg to 2000 mg per day?

What is Vitamin B1?

"Vitamin B1, also called thiamine, is one of eight water-soluble B vitamins. All B vitamins help the body to convert carbohydrates into glucose (sugar), which is "burned" to produce energy. These B vitamins, often referred to as B complex vitamins, are essential in the breakdown of fats and protein. B complex vitamins also play an important role in maintaining muscle tone along the wall of the digestive tract and promoting the health of the nervous system, skin, hair, eyes, mouth, and liver.

Similar to some other B complex vitamins, thiamine is considered an "anti-stress" vitamin because it is believed to enhance the activity of the immune system and improve the body's ability to withstand stressful conditions."

Some precautions I ran into include:

"Because of the potential for side effects and interactions with medications, dietary supplements should be taken only under the supervision of a knowledgeable healthcare provider.

Oral vitamin B1 is generally nontoxic. Stomach upset can occur at very high doses (much higher than the recommended daily amount).

Taking any one of the B complex vitamins for a long period of time can result in an imbalance of other important B vitamins. For this reason, it is generally important to take a B complex vitamin with any single B vitamin.

Possible Interactions

If you are currently being treated with any of the following medications, you should not use vitamin B1 without first talking to your healthcare provider.

Antibiotics, Tetracycline
Vitamin B1 should not be taken at the same time as the antibiotic tetracycline because it interferes with the absorption and effectiveness of this medication. Vitamin B1 either alone or in combination with other B vitamins should be taken at different times from tetracycline. (All vitamin B complex supplements act in this way and should therefore be taken at different times from tetracycline.)

Antidepressant Medications, Tricylic
Taking vitamin B1 supplements may improve treatment with antidepressants such as nortriptyline, especially in elderly patients. Other medications in this class of antidepressants include desimpramine and imipramine.

Chemotherapy
Although the significance is not entirely clear, laboratory studies suggest that thiamine may inhibit the anti-cancer activity of chemotherapy agents. How this will ultimately prove relevant to people is not known. However, it may be wise for people undergoing chemotherapy for cancer to not take large doses of vitamin B1 supplements.

Digoxin
Laboratory studies suggest that digoxin (a medication used to treat heart conditions) may reduce the ability of heart cells to absorb and use vitamin B1; this may be particularly true when digoxin is combined with furosemide (a loop diuretic).

Diuretics
Diuretics (particularly furosemide, which belongs to a class called loop diuretics) may reduce the levels of vitamin B1 in the body. In addition, similar to digoxin, furosemide may diminish the heart's ability to absorb and utilize vitamin B1, especially when these two medications are combined.

Scopolamine
Vitamin B1 may help reduce some of the side effects associated with scopolamine, a medication commonly used to treat motion sickness.

http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupple...hiaminecs.html

I didn't run into anything on it interacting with pain relief medications, but I suspect that many of us are on one or more of these. Any ideas on why it is unadvisable to take B1 with this type of medications and what the side effects might be if we do? Which pain relief medications are you referring to; something as simple as Ibuprophen, or are you referring to narcotics, or ?

Cherie

[lady_express_44]

Originally Posted by Braindead

WHAT??? What happened to logic and semantics? More crap!!!@

The folks who read this seem so desperate for some help that they could mistakenly think that this is an acceptable alternative solution if it is NOT TOTALLY DELETED.

Braindead

If you see a problem with Ainee's suggestions, feel free to state your specific concerns.

Cherie

[Braindead]

Originally Posted by lady_express_44

If you see a problem with Ainee's suggestions, feel free to state your specific concerns.

Cherie

Feel free to AGREE to DISAGREE with people. But you MUST let people have their opinion and allow them to state it without attacking them personally.

[ainee]

Thank you so much Cherie, for taking the time to post the information about VB1. Perhaps VB1 has been overlooked in favor of other treatments for the treatment of nervous dissorders.

With the knowledge of our sheep's PEM disease, symptoms and treatment at hand, I eventually bought VB1 from the chemist.
I took 250mgs tablets - 3 times a day - as suggested on the bottle.
After a couple of months of experimenting with VB1, I read some information in the Hungerford's Diseases of Livestock Book, published many years ago, by an Australian vet - that VB1 was the successful treatment for PEM - ( I had similar symptoms) - 250mgs was not a successfull dose for PEM, but 400mgs was. The sheep dose was given by injections.
As I was only holding my own, not getting better, I decided to gradually increase the VB1 dose. When I reached about 400mgs, I felt what I later discoverd were the reversal feelings. I got tired of breaking the tablets, so ended up taking 500mgs. I experimented with very large doses, even with chelation treatment which included more VB1.
The instructions on the directions with the bottle also said an increased dose was used for treating alcoholics - I was in pain - what did I have to loose.
(I think the Chelation treatment was a waste of time and money for me - 2 others having it had MS, they said it didn't help but were both giving it a try.

I wasn't tested for VB1 - my Vitamin C was low - but my levels of vanilla, honey, vinegar etc were never checked. (smile) I found it wasn't what I took that made the difference - but how it worked in my system which made the difference - the high water soluble properties of carbon and hydrogen or the volitile compounds, rose my temperature etc., increasing my oxygen intake 24/7.

I can't remember any stomach upset caused by VB1 - but I do know of the relief it gave from the horrific symptoms I was experiencing. I wasn't on any other medication, so I know VB1 was the reason my cramps, spasms, twitches, tics, mini seizures, lack of balance etc were suppressed and the bigger doses eventually - along with my other experimentation of the other things over many months - reversed my symptoms - and repaired the damage done to my nervous system - from extra oxygen being breathed in from the atmosphere - with no drugs or machines.

- "promoting the health of the nervous system" and "believed to enhance the activity of the immune system" -
there must have been positive medical research done at some time on VB1.

As I was not on other medication, I don't know the risk of taking VB1 with other medication - except after an operation, I took something else which has a similar content to VB1 - and the medication which kept pain away for a couple of days after the operation, didn't work anymore.
Also a lady who had pain for years after a car accident, tried the VB1 - she found it took away the effect of the pain relief.

Several other people - with all sorts of illnesses and conditions - tried what I suggested and said they had better health while taking what I suggested - Alzheimer's, tremors, cramps, migrane, - I've written about this on other threads somewhere on BT. A man with Parkinsons has been trying Vitamin C for over a year - he said he is feeling much better.

Thank you Cherie for posting the information you have, which includes what not to take with VB1 - so others can do their own research if they are on certain medications - and as I always try to remember to advise - Please see your doctor before changing any medication.

For Burns - I had a very bad burn on my arm from the hot water in the shower - I was taking MOT - the burn didn't blister - maybe it was the extra oxygen in my system which kept the bacteria (probably anaerobic - living without oxygen) away from the burn area.
I also found later, by putting brown vinegar on a burn as soon as possible, it stopped the blistering. Sometimes on a large burn from the wood heater, I soak a piece of cotton wool in brown vinegar and place over the burn - it cuts down the pain, the burn doesn't blister and it keeps infection away.

Annie123 - Thank you also for showing support. But pure oxygen mighten't be very good for our health - you can get oxygen toxin from breathing too much oxygen. Like footballers who get cramps from oxygen toxin (info in the EB). Women in child birth breath in an almighty amount of oxygen - I believe oxygen toxin at birth could be a reason for many unexplained illnesses and conditions in babies, children and later in life as adults. Postnatal depression - CP (some babies suffer Opisthotonus soon after birth and end up with CP. I also suffered Opisthotonus 2 years after my tractor accident where I suffered an horrific injury to my head and spine - which in itself, can cause an imbalance of oxygen and carbon dioxide to the brain to cause neurological symptoms - I wrote info on BT about oxygen toxin - probably in Child Neurology) and the list goes on.

Braindead - you have posted extensively as you say, on suppliments to slow the symptoms of MS - Have you posted anything on Vitamin B1? - which is a scientifically tested, successfull treatment for PEM - Polioencephalomalacia - a brain wasting - brain destroying terminal disease in livestock if not treated early enough - which has similar neurological symptoms to many neurological illnesses and conditions - give or take a few and put into human terms.
Maybe you could do some research on VB1 and post your findings for us to see. Failing that - please let others comment and make up their own minds - the information Cherie has posted, gives positive information which somewhat backs up my very personal research - don't you think?

Thanks again Cherie and others who are prepared to "look outside the square."
Have a nice day.
ainee.

[xo++]

Hyperbaric oxygen (HBOT) has been tested in MS in a number of clinical trials and most trials have failed to demonstrate any effect in MS.

The Cochrane Database reviewed all clinical trials of HBOT in MS and found "no consistent evidence to confirm a beneficial effect" and judged that routine use is not justified.

Mark

[lady_express_44]

Hi Mark,

Isn't that something different?

"An approved form of therapy for a variety of diseases, HBOT involves placing patients in a recompression chamber and having them breathe pure oxygen at increased atmospheric pressures, usually pressures equivalent to those experienced by divers 15-45 feet below sea level."

http://drcranton.com/tmp/MS_and_Medical_Politics.htm

.... for which there is much published information available:

http://www.drcranton.com/hbo/hbobib.htm

However, Ainee is suggesting "oxygen" treatments by way of vitamins . . . unless I am misunderstanding.

Cherie