mental illness in children sequel [Archive]

Isabelle

02-12-2007, 05:52 PM

rebecca riley at 4 dead from an overdose of drugs.
parents charged with their death...... who is at fault?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250482,00.html

many times some people excuse those professionals as "well meaning" or that they are not out there to harm the weak among us, just they don't know....
ok, who is out there that could speak and say "stop it! you are harming them!" the child or the non-verbal autistic can't speak? parents? they are sure they are doing the best under the circumstances, the same for the agencies and its paid caregivers, the bureaucrats in governments? they live for the next paycheck, the politician? we are not doctors......who is left?

LIZARD

02-12-2007, 10:21 PM

This story nearly stopped my heart cold. :( I know a Rebecca Riley! She's a little girl, too, but her parents are wonderful, loving people who have seen her endure a whole ton of health problems.

LIZARD, still sad thinking about it :(

Isabelle

02-12-2007, 10:53 PM

liz, you know in my 'good' old times when i was a child we read the bible, read comics with the lives of jesus, mary, the saints, went to see religious movies...i mean it, we were so immersed in being good catholics. i remember reading a part in which jesus says that anyone who harm a child, should be made to wear a stone around the neck and drown, another part is mentioned that no parent would feed stones to their child. i guess he never thought that psychiatric drugs could be "stones" :(
when i was teenager being 'educated' in a catholic school run by french nuns, we were read prophecies and i remember one in particular that i thought way too cruel to even entertain a fleeting thought, that the end of the world would be near when mothers would start to kill their children....:( :rolleyes:

i don't mean anything by recalling those memories, that is how the church, nuns and priests, scared us, poor human beings, into submit to god, to pray, to confess our sins, etc. but my father was an atheist and my mother went to church just for the weddings so they kept us in balance :o

tgrimes

02-12-2007, 10:55 PM

This is so sad - and the kid had been diagnosed ADHD and Bipolar at age TWO? !!!
How the heck do you diagnose that in a toddler?
Sounds odd just to hear that by age four she was on Depakote, Seroquel and Clonidine.

snapdragon928

02-12-2007, 11:00 PM

How do they diagnose bipolar disorder in a two year old ? I think there's alot shady here.

peglem

02-12-2007, 11:29 PM

I'm just guessing, surmising here. The article was just too short to get a good idea about just what really happened, but, I too, thought a bipolar dx of a two yo was ridiculous. So, I'm thinking perhaps they wanted to try some med to address certain behaviors and to get insurance to pay the dx had to be attached. I do know a mom whose child was dx'd bipolar at age 2 and later dx'd at age 4 as autistic...she, however thought it was a bunch of crap (the BP dx) and did not treat for it. My own daughter was fairly self abusive at age 2- and you know how those spells come on quickly, when one second they are full of joy and the next it looks like they are trying to kill themselves. There were some who described it as bipolar type behavior, but didn't dx for that. Its scary to see your kid like that and you can't really do anything to help them- so I can see the parents desperately seeking relief for their child and even accepting the bipolar dx, because it is severe, severe mood swings. I would think the docs would have been a little more cautious though...its easy, also, to screw up a med schedule and accidently OD a kid particularly if you have more than one person giving the meds and one or both of them are severely sleep deprived like my husband and I were for about the 1st 6 or 7 years of Allie's life. We were cautious about using any meds, though, even the OTC ones, especially when she was younger. This is a tradgedy for sure, but I think they'll have trouble proving she was deliberately OD'd.

Isabelle

02-12-2007, 11:42 PM

i wonder too. are the doctors responsible? or the parents were looking for quiet time? but their own mother says they weren't looking to have the child asleep on drugs?

here is another professional speaking in favor of diets and supplements as treatment for small children with autism, adhd, etc. he is a dietitian in scotland

http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.1107588.0.0.php

one has also to be careful with doctors trying to sell you supplements or asking you for upfront fees. it happened to us, a DAN! doctor asked us to fill out a 400 pages questionnaire and in order for him to just read it we had to pay him $350.00 upfront. another doctor wanted us to buy from him a metal free potion for $400, later we found it online for $10

at the same time in the article 'what lies beneath' another little girl was diagnosed as bipolar and is treated with antipsychotics.

so i wonder, mental illness in children is real or make believe?

milivica

02-13-2007, 12:45 AM

I just didn't know what to post when I first read the story. The way the article is written, it gave me the impression the parents might have overmedicated her by using the cold medicine in addition to her prescribed meds, I felt the article was inferring it was intentional on the parents part. I was stunned to hear a bipolar dx at 2 cause I honestly do not believe that is possible. But until I believe I should feel differently, my heart goes out to the parents, if they are as in love with their child as I am with my children, their fate is sealed - regardless of any punishment or not they will have permanent grief. Pretty much their lives are over I would think, emotionally I mean. I can't imagine losing a child, I'm not sure what could be worse than that other than knowing if you'd done something different she'd still be here, which, they will have to live with now. Being as they're not doctors, that's really not fair. But I'm guessing it's how they'll feel. So very tragic. I feel so bad for the child, her parents, extended family.

Isabelle, maybe we should swap stories someday...I went to a Catholic school until fourth grade, took it all very literally of course, as kids do (especially aspie kids). I remember when a kid moved away, right around when that movie The Exorcist came out, a priest stopped in all the classes claiming he tried and failed to exorcise satan from her. Of course the first thing I thought was, if satan is in her now, then there must not be a he!! anymore, and if so, who's the boss there now? Yes, I got smacked A LOT in Catholic school, lol. I was unable, for the three + years I was there, to stop perseverating on and asking in every direct and round about way possible, who God's mother was.

Again, my heart goes out to the parents. I can't imagine much worse that what they must be going through. Very tragic, very sad.

Mili

rbear4

02-13-2007, 01:19 AM

omg. That is horrible.

My first thought as well was that was a HECK of a drug coctail for a child so small and that a diagnosis of BP at age 2 is just uncomprehensible.

I saw as well the cold medicine and what I thought was perhaps the child had a cold and no one had ever bothered to tell the mom not to give cold medicine in addition to her regular meds. There are no warnings on OTC meds other than don't give with MAOI's. I only know to be careful with OTC meds because I am neurotic and I called the pharmacist to ask in the past. It may have been a completely innocent mistake.

UGh, it is just horrible though. Absolutely horrible. It has been my experience that doctors REALLY do not give parents enough info about the seriousness of the medications they are perscribing for children. At least I know they down played it with me in the past.

Isabelle

02-13-2007, 01:19 AM

Thanks, Mili, for getting me to smile a bit by asking the powers to be who was God's mother :o We were not allowed to open our mouths but to answer when questioned :(

milivica

02-13-2007, 01:54 AM

We were not allowed to open our mouths but to answer when questioned :(
Well, I wasn't 'allowed' to ask, told not to, various punishments from smacked with rulers to praying to writing "I will not...." 500 times. Didn't matter, I was truly unable to drop it.

Like mother like son :rolleyes: , Vince does the same.

LIZARD

02-13-2007, 08:19 AM

How do they diagnose bipolar disorder in a two year old ? I think there's alot shady here.

I agree. Doctors seem to be in such a hurry to dx young kids with problems they couldn't possibly be sure the kids have. I don't doubt many are getting kickbacks from the drug companies. :( :mad:

LIZARD

rbear4

02-13-2007, 11:01 AM

I agree. Doctors seem to be in such a hurry to dx young kids with problems they couldn't possibly be sure the kids have. I don't doubt many are getting kickbacks from the drug companies. :( :mad:

That was part of my thought. That or laziness. Did they ever possibly look into medical reasons for the girls behavior, rule out anything else first? BP is a very extreme diagnosis to give to a 2 yo girl, and those 3 meds are pretty severe ones to give in combination to a 4yo girl. GEEZ.

For all we know the parents could have just been following the doctors recomendations and trying to take care of a cold at the same time. Now they have lost their dd AND are being charged with murder.

LIZARD

02-13-2007, 11:05 AM

That was part of my thought. That or laziness. Did they ever possibly look into medical reasons for the girls behavior, rule out anything else first? BP is a very extreme diagnosis to give to a 2 yo girl, and those 3 meds are pretty severe ones to give in combination to a 4yo girl. GEEZ.

I doubt most of the kids ever had EEGs, CTs, or MRIs, too. Pop a pill. That's how we Americans deal with everything. :rolleyes: :(

LIZARD :(

Italia

02-13-2007, 01:34 PM

I think we just have to respect the pain and the sufference of the parents of the kid.....Maybe they gave her an overdose on purpose...maybe not...but in anycase their hearts are full of pain and sufference....I don't want to judge them....
Isabelle,I'm italian and I've always had to face with catholic religion,I?ve read the bible several times,and I've listened a lot of priests and nuns talking about a severe,cruel,jealous God...but when you read the new testament,you understand that God is LOVE....nothing more....LOVE:He loves us,he forgives us,he will never stop loving us....

It's unuseful to search for the reason of the bad things that happen in the world...they just happen...We all are men and women that make mistakes....

My heart is with that little angel who died for the overdose.

Isabelle

02-13-2007, 02:08 PM

Aaaah! Laura, you are too kind.

Would you be if your child dies of a drug overdose?
Would you be so kind if your child developed drug-induced parkinsonism, severe abnormal movements and is in constant pain that he can't understand or can speak about?

Many others, in misguided kindness, are excusing professionals with "Well meaning doctors","they don't know what they are doing" "they are just being human".

And, you add, PLEASE, DO NOT GET ANGRY WITH ME, that it's useless to search, look at the reasons for why bad things happened.

We have entrusted my son to professionals, we believed in doctors, in so called "experts" in autism but when our son almost died after Risperdal we were distraught and we went looking at why drugs were not helping him but making his autism worse. What we found out was an eyes opener.

Ignorance is not anymore a excuse with Internet use.

Doctors are in position of playing God they can do good or they can do harm. We cannot let these men and women in position of power to harm or kill children. There is a serious reason behind some of their decisions, MONEY...paid by big pharmas...the early they get some people hooked on drugs the better they are, big pharmas get a "customer for life" if the poor child doesn't die in the process.

And, about children and non-verbal autistics, we, all together, have to scream at them "STOP IT, YOU ARE DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD".

Italia

02-13-2007, 02:49 PM

Don't misunderstand me Isabelle.....

Consider that english is not my mother language so I probably have not been very clear telling my thoughts....

When I was talking of respect and non judgement,I was talking of that kid's parents.

But if we talk of doctors and nurses and others I perfectly know what I'm talking about as I'm a nurse;) ,and as we're talking about this,considering the drugs that little girl took,I know it's VERY difficult to make such a big mistake from doctors ar nurses as you must give MUCH MUCH more the therapeutic
quantity to kill a kid.

So ,I don't know where the mistake was,if it was of the doctors,the nurses,or the patents....but in any case,I know it's terrible, but even doctors and nurses are men and women and they can make a mistake....

Of course I would be furious if doctors would make a mistake....I always control what they do,I always want they explain every single thing they do on my son...That's the only thing I can do....

I hope I've been a litle bit more clear now;)

Isabelle

02-15-2007, 12:05 AM

Never mind me, Laura. Because of all the hurt done to my child by "well meaning" professionals I tend to blow steam at the least unintended provocation. Many times we, as his parents, blamed ourselves, but you have to realize in giving our consent to "treatment", those "professionals" didn't show us all the cards. In other words they withhold information. They didn't inform us of their real intentions in using those drugs and of the real effects and adverse affects of the drugs. We were deceived and were lied to.

Italia

02-15-2007, 11:07 AM

Isabelle

02-16-2007, 02:24 AM

Well, I wasn't 'allowed' to ask, told not to, various punishments from smacked with rulers to praying to writing "I will not...." 500 times. Didn't matter, I was truly unable to drop it.

Like mother like son :rolleyes: , Vince does the same.

noooo, you were smacked with a ruler????? by the time i was in third grade the government banned it.... that was well over 50 years ago !!!!!! my punishment for talking, when younger, was to sit in a corner facing a painting of sinners in he!!, artistically inspiring! later i would be left in the centre of the recess patio facing a beautiful marble statue of the virgin mary and child, being a tactile child for pretty things i liked to touch and the nun would blow the whistle till red in the face screaming for me to stay still.
500 times ???? wow! we were really spoiled, never more than 100 and it didn't improve my writing at all...some teachers excuse me by saying i was an artist, so i never made an effort.

Isabelle

02-16-2007, 02:37 AM

I understand what you mean Isabelle,that's why I always pretend they explain me everything,and I'm afraid I'm famous to be a real pain in the neck,among doctors!
In Italy there is a law which oblige doctors to explain what they are going to do BEFORE they do,and parents then,signs they have been explained all.
I hope in U.S.A. too

laura, i understood that europe has a low protecting the rights of the autistic. because my dh and dd went to vienna to speak to an expert on autism and she couldn't believe how barbaric where the canadian doctors, prescribing these drugs to the autistic.
my experience with doctors in relation to my son has been deplorable, a shame.

jasper

02-16-2007, 09:30 AM

Isabelle, I find too that doctors here in Canada are very quick to whip out the perscription pad.

This isn't limited to the field of autism, but it's probably more acute with autistic patients. The situation is made worse because doctors here tend to be arrogant and do not take kindly to patients or parents who speak their mind.

I know that not all doctors are this way, but I'm tired of dealing with the ones that are. It gets me tied up in knots. (Sorry to get off on a rant ... don't get me started on the public school system here :rolleyes: )

milivica

02-16-2007, 02:29 PM

...some teachers excuse me by saying i was an artist, so i never made an effort.

LOLOL...Isabelle, when I was a child the word autism was unheard of by most, the word Aspergers had not even been invented yet...so the excuse always made for my odd behaviors was that I was 'artistic' (cause of the way I used things in such nonfunctional ways, not because I could actually draw, paint or sculpt or something)...baawawawwa! Can you imagine? To this day, my ma says about aspergers, "No, you don't have anything wrong with you, you're just artistic, cause you're a Pices". Baawawaa, like my astrological sign causes my behaviors, nothin to do with neurology, nope.

I'm not offended, I think it's hysterical, my ma is a throwback to the days when folks are either 'crazy' or not, there's no in between or fancy diagnosis. You're nuts or your not. That's it. And she refuses to believe I'm nuts, cause she loves me, so I'm just artistic, because I'm a Pices. Gotta love her! If she were queen, all our kids would be given unlimited supplies of crayons and paints and allowed to be 'artistic' to their hearts content, hee hee. Probably a much better idea than a lot of so called treatment out there.

Looking back on my Catholic school, I'm grateful they diagnosed me 'artistic' and nobody accused me of being possessed, back in the 60's (when I started that school) it would have been potentially believed. Ya know? There were still a lot of older folks having withdrawal from the 40's and 50's that wanted things to go back to the way it was.

My saving grace, were all the 'hippies' that thought I was really 'far out' and 'groovy' and what not, they liked me because of my peculiarities, not in spite of them. I was entertaining or something. I was way into philosophy from as early as I can remember, I pretty much talked like a person that was much older than I was...plus I pondered things only people high on marijuana ponder, like the vastness of the universe and how small we all really are, and maybe ants will rule the world someday, etc etc... From very little on, you might say, I talked like an old 'high' hippie (is that a good thing or a bad thing I wonder, lol).

Well, that sure was a rambling post. Guess it's cause I'm so artistic ;)

Isabelle

02-16-2007, 06:13 PM

It is funny, how perceptions change :D :D not only I was whatever I was because I was an "artist" but because for those non-religious people believers in the pagantry (?) of astrology because i was a Gemini and worse my hard head and persistence because i was early Gemini with some TAURUS in it, you can't beat a horny bull could you? :D perhaps you too have some taurus...perhaps in your moon or sun LOL :D

Isabelle

02-16-2007, 06:16 PM

Are you in Ontario? If you are, are you reading The Toronto Star?
1600 developmentally disabled adults some as young as 21 are been moved to nursing homes to be among people often more than twice their age, because the government after closing the large institutions have not other place to put them.
What a shame!

jasper

02-16-2007, 11:47 PM

Isabelle, yes I'm in Ontario too. I just read the article. So sad ... I hope this gets resolved soon.

Italia

02-17-2007, 10:13 AM

I don't know if this can consolate you,Isabelle and Mil,but here in Italy too,Persons and kids who suffer from autism are still considered "strange "persons,when you're lucky,and totally MAD persons,when you meet some ignorants....:mad: :In the past,not many years ago to be sincere,autistic persons where just internated to mental hospital,which here in Italy were a kind of lager......About 20 years ago all public mental hospital were closed to let patients to go to their families.......But most of them had not families and those who had after such a long time at those lager,where really MAD,and their families were just scared to take them at home.....So as you can see ,it's not only Canada which made a mess with autistic persons!

As for doctors,here in Italy too they are very arrogant,and even if we've some laws which protect us,sometimes patients are so afraid of doctors,that they don't ask any explanation.....

Thare has been a period Enrico was taking three drugs for epilepsy,but I always asked the doctor everything...and I've been very lucky as he is a lovely man,he even phoned me to ask how Enrico was going with therapy!:)
now he is retired,and next weeks we will now the new doctor,that he suggested us.

I will never give drugs to Enrico for autism,at least untill there isn't an evidencefor him to take.

Anyway,all I want to say yuo is:insist on asking explanation as you've the right to ask,and if they don't give you explanation ,you can denounce them!

Try to find an help on nurses they often are much more sensitive and helping than doctors...(or not?);)

((((hugs))))

peglem

02-17-2007, 11:03 AM

Try to find an help on nurses they often are much more sensitive and helping than doctors...(or not?);)

((((hugs))))

I find this is often true, except emergency room nurses!

Lara

03-24-2007, 09:25 PM

more.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070324/ap_on_he_me/drugged_to_death
Girl's overdose death raises questions
By DENISE LAVOIE, Associated Press Writer Fri Mar 23, 9:52 PM ET

Pamster

03-24-2007, 10:19 PM

Quoted from the article:

Kifuji told police she became alarmed in October 2005 when Carolyn Riley told her she had increased Rebecca's nighttime dose of Clonidine from 2 to 2 1/2 tablets, and warned Carolyn the increased dose could kill Rebecca.

OH MY LORD!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

I do not know what to say other then this was mruder plain and simple...I do not have any pity for the parents increasing the clonidine on their own just to keep their daughter sedated, that is cruel, cold and I hope they go down HARD for this to prevent others from following suit and upping thier own children's dosage on thier own without DR CONSENT or PERMISSION!!

I am just aghast at this the sheer cruelty makes me so angry it's not funny...:mad:

Isabelle

03-25-2007, 01:21 AM

What a beautiful little girl! "Following doctors' orders" I heard that excuse before.
There is way too many witnesses talking about this clearly to me of parental abuse.
I hope that the other kids are taken away from them. I hope they end up with a stable family and taken off those drugs and diagnoses.
I believe that psychiatry is responsible for this abuse.
Many times people like these "parents" present themselves as suffering from mental illness and use their prescribed drugs on their children, they are on welfare, disability, services, they get money and tons of drugs and they know how to use/ abuse the system/doctors.They are not innocent, they were just caught!.. time to cry "pity me".
Yes , some "parents" even make their children act sick or to pretend to have ADHD, now bipolar, to get money. It's an old trick, in South American countries we saw many times a "blind" woman sitting on the street with a sleeping child. Those women "rented" a sedated child to get more money from compassionate people.
Am I harsh? No sympathy from me. I can't stand people abusing children and of course I can't stand those people abusing non-verbal adult autistics. I have seen them.

Pamster

03-25-2007, 12:33 PM

Wow I had never even considered that possibility Isabelle, but now that you bring it up I can see that that is possible...Unreal but I bet it's true:

Many times people like these "parents" present themselves as suffering from mental illness and use their prescribed drugs on their children, they are on welfare, disability, services, they get money and tons of drugs and they know how to use/ abuse the system/doctors.They are not innocent, they were just caught!.. time to cry "pity me".
Yes , some "parents" even make their children act sick or to pretend to have ADHD, now bipolar, to get money.

That is just sickening but I bet it's true. I too have no pity for such people, they are despicable and evil IMO and deserve jail, even jail is too good for them IMO. :mad:

I would never give someone drugs prescribed for me, that is dangerous and illegal for a reason. I am not surprised to hear that this poor 4 YO died though after the mom gave her two and a HALF clonidine pills. She was supposed to get 3.5 a day and I sincerely DOUBT it was a twice a day RX, they said 35 pills for a ten day supply and that equals a 3.5 a day RX. What I don't get is why they let this family continue giving theri kids clonidine when they were obviously abusing it. Someone SHOULD have stopped this before that precious child was OD'd.

Jackie is almost 11 and he takes 1 & 1/2 at bedtime, 2 and 1/2 is murderous and the parents need to be held accountable. They should never have been allowed to refill a RX when they said that they destroyed a RX worth of them or that they lost them. This newest article is just heartbreaking, I can't believe people could be so calculating and cold blooded towards their own flesh and blood, but apparently they can be, because this is not fiction, this was a real child who died a horrible death. :( It never should have happened. :(

rbear4

03-26-2007, 01:35 AM

This latest news article made me feel physically sick. That poor baby. Those poor kids. That was completely uncalled for. And here I was initially sticking up for the parents. Guess that old innocent until proven guilty has been ingrained or maybe I am just nieve.

I cannot BELIEVE anyone would do that to thier children.

The worst part was when a relative (of someone staying there) said the girl knocked on her parents door the night she died and they gave her another 1/2 clonodine plus the dad yelled at her to go to bed or something. I could barely read it at that point.

Lara

03-26-2007, 03:20 AM

I'm sorry, I probably should have put a warning on the last article or something as it made me feel ill too. I just figured it was important to post it because the last I remembered of this thread most of that information about how the parents were dosing out the medications wasn't available and I think it was important to show that it wasn't all about the child's doctor doing something wrong.

mc4_a

03-26-2007, 10:54 AM

That's pretty upsetting. I guess my question is why did no one else stand up for this little girl? There are quite a few people that seemed to have known something wasn't right.

Salsa

09-30-2007, 09:19 PM

Did anyone see this story on 60 Minutes tonight?

Isabelle

10-01-2007, 01:48 AM

yes,i just google it, makes me very sad :( very angry :mad: "the care we provided was appropriate and within responsible professional standards".... and the "good" doctor was practicing "mainstream medicine/psychiatry" and diagnosed the child with bipolar in base of the family history... makes me sick
the worst is that people has poor memory and psychiatrists knows that and they would continue dxing children in base of what lazy, ignorant parents says.
to take a so young child to a psychiatrist should be a red flag for social services to act and protect the children by educate parents in nutrition and parenting skills, if there is some common sense left in this planet earth....

Kristen (ColeysMom)

10-01-2007, 01:01 PM

This happened in Hull MA, the town my grandma lives in. It was so scary the day the story broke. And there's been lots of chatter since.

I almost died when I saw Katie Curic interviewing her over the weekend. My heart BLLEDS for that mother, it looks like she has trouble drawing a breath...not physically...but it really looks as though she has absolutely no desire to live.

She has 2 other kids that have gotten a similar diag and are on a boat load of Rxs. Katie looked interviewed a few docs and other parents and found, pretty much what we have, one Rx is prescribed, then another to offset the first Rxs side effects, then another, and another...I guess the littel girl was on 3 but her others are on more. Katie interviewed a director of a pediatric REHAB facility in WA that talked about kids that file through there. They come in on 10+ Rxs and leave Rx free. This guy said that some of the kids, VERY few needed to go back on A med but the vast majority were simply dealing with behavioral probelms DUE to the meds.

GASTLY!

So then she talks to the mom and asks her if she thought it was possible that her daughter was just being a normal kid. The mom shugs her shoulders...then says it's really sad that she now (because of the trial) knows more about bipolar that she did while she was trying to care for her kids. So Katie asks her if she thinks that she was being treated correctly, ans the mom says NO!

In one way I say...where the hell was this woman's head...but then you gotta say that about all the parents of those other kids too...and in some way it's still true...but I can understand because we were WELL on our way with that too...

And if it wasn't for Coley's behavior with children's tylenol ON TOP of that other stuff... and then the benadryl to help him with sleep... I just don't know were we'd be.

At first I hated this woman...what kind of mom pumps her kids with junk...OMG...Lord only knows what was really wrong with her...and likely her other kids too...but I'll tell you one thing...anfter all the chatter lately about diets and GF/CF and seeing what I see with Coley's exposure to fructose...

AND, knowing that this family was poor...likely eating lots of junk and empty starchy calories...I wonder if the entire family just needed to dig a garden in their back yard!

It's horrible, and the fact that the parents are on that stand alone without the Dr beside them is a travesty! The coroner said that the prescribed dosage of one of the Rxs was enough to cause long term damage to her liver which would have all by itself eventually killed her. That it's impossible to tell what was responsible, but that it was the combination that led to her death on that night.

SAD! SAD! SAD!

And this just adds to my hatred of Drs...particularly prescription pad weilding Drs!