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olsen
02-01-2007, 03:43 PM
posted on the parkinson's forum-
cholesterol decline may be associated with early stages of dementia

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http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/551008
By Will Boggs, MD
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Jan 19 - A decline in total cholesterol levels precedes the diagnosis of dementia by at least 15 years, according to an epidemiologic study reported in the January issue of the Archives of Neurology.
"Studies like this are extremely valuable because they can provide a 'window' on to processes going on early in dementia, allowing researchers to look back in time at people's health and other characteristics and compare these between people who develop dementia and those who do not," Dr. Robert Stewart from King's College London, UK told Reuters Health.
Dr. Stewart and colleagues used data from the Honolulu-Asia Aging Study to compare the natural history of cholesterol level change over a 26-year period between 56 men who were found to have dementia at examination 3 years after the last cholesterol measurement and 971 men who did not have dementia.
Total cholesterol levels at the beginning of the study did not differ by later dementia status, the authors report, but the decline in subsequent cholesterol levels was significantly steeper among men who went on to develop dementia.
Adjustment for potential confounding factors strengthened the association between cholesterol level decline and the development of dementia, the results indicate.
The cholesterol level decline was most marked in men with dementia and the APOE epsilon-4 allele and in those with dementia and worse self-reported general health at the final cholesterol measurement, the researchers note.
"The observed associations may not represent direct causal pathways," the investigators say. "Hypocholesterolemia is recognized to be associated with frailty and poor general health. It also has been found to be specifically associated with inflammatory markers and poor nutritional status."
Rather, they suggest, "It is possible that the decline in cholesterol levels is a marker for early processes that reflect neurodegenerative changes and also lead to a decline in general health status."
The drop in cholesterol was not a result of medication. "Very few of the participants in this study were receiving cholesterol lowering treatment at the time the decline in cholesterol levels was observed (there were few cholesterol lowering medications around at that time in the 1970s), so medication was not responsible for this," Dr. Stewart explained.
"The drop in cholesterol was instead probably caused by some other event and was a 'marker' of risk rather than actually increasing the risk itself," he concluded.
Arch Neurol 2007;64:103-107.



Ben A. Barres and Stephen J Smith. Science, November, 2001, Vol 294, pp1296-7.
"The smooth operation of the nervous system depends on rapid commmunication between nerve cells at meeting areas called syapses. Although synapses were first identified 100 years ago, their fomation, a process called synaptogenesis, has remained something of a mystery....two intriguing but unanticipated conclusions about synaptogenesis have been reached. The first is that neurons by themselves form few synapses unless they have help from other nerve cells called glial cells(1-3). The second reported by Mauch, et. al..., is that the synapse-promoting signal released by glial cells is CHOLESTEROL(emphasis mine)...

...Neurons in culture form few synapses unless glial cells called astrocytes are present. Astrocytes increase synapse number by secreting cholesterol bound to large lipoprotein particles containing apolipoprotein E (apoE).

These particles are internalized by neurons, leading to increased cholesterol within neuronal membranes . It is possible that apoE also activates yet to be identified signaling pathways within the neurons . These changes stimulate an increase in the number and efficacy of synapses."

Refs noted in above quote:
1. FW Pfrieger. BS Barres, Science 277. 1684 (1997)
2. EM Ullian., S Sapperstein, et al Science 291, 65 (2001)
3. K. Nagler, D. Mauch, j Physiol533. 665 (2001)
4. DH Mauch, et al Science 294. 1354 (2001)

[as an aside --apoE IS the SAME lipoprotein that researchers "target" by statin use in patients with alzheimer's--statins decrease apoE, which many researchers "theorized" was responsible for amyloid aggregation found in Alzheimer's--and because individuals with APOE-4 gene variations have been shown more susceptible to developing Alzheimer's in a couple of studies...what if their theory is incorrect??]

It may or may not be important that the lipid that constitutes the largest percentage of all fats found in the SUBSTANTIA NIGRA is "dolichol" and dolichol production is directly dependent upon the mavelonate pathway--the same pathway that is totally blocked by all statins. does this fact have clinical relevance--who knows--no one has asked the question. it is just assumed that it must be okay..or hoped that it is in fact not an issue. or by not addressing it, it is in fact a non issue....

Tootsie
02-01-2007, 05:46 PM
The science of this is rather overwhelming for us lay people. However, it is reassuring to know that there is such complex and valuable research being done. I have always wondered about the obsession of the medical community with borderline elevated cholesterol levels. I just hope I live long enough to find out what it all means! Cheerio.

jim Denning
02-01-2007, 11:15 PM
posted on the parkinson's forum-
cholesterol decline may be associated with early stages of dementia

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http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/551008
By Will Boggs, MD
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Jan 19 - A decline in total cholesterol levels precedes the diagnosis of dementia by at least 15 years, according to an epidemiologic study reported in the January issue of the Archives of Neurology.
"Studies like this are extremely valuable because they can provide a 'window' on to processes going on early in dementia, allowing researchers to look back in time at people's health and other characteristics and compare these between people who develop dementia and those who do not," Dr. Robert Stewart from King's College London, UK told Reuters Health.
Dr. Stewart and colleagues used data from the Honolulu-Asia Aging Study to compare the natural history of cholesterol level change over a 26-year period between 56 men who were found to have dementia at examination 3 years after the last cholesterol measurement and 971 men who did not have dementia.
Total cholesterol levels at the beginning of the study did not differ by later dementia status, the authors report, but the decline in subsequent cholesterol levels was significantly steeper among men who went on to develop dementia.
Adjustment for potential confounding factors strengthened the association between cholesterol level decline and the development of dementia, the results indicate.
The cholesterol level decline was most marked in men with dementia and the APOE epsilon-4 allele and in those with dementia and worse self-reported general health at the final cholesterol measurement, the researchers note.
"The observed associations may not represent direct causal pathways," the investigators say. "Hypocholesterolemia is recognized to be associated with frailty and poor general health. It also has been found to be specifically associated with inflammatory markers and poor nutritional status."
Rather, they suggest, "It is possible that the decline in cholesterol levels is a marker for early processes that reflect neurodegenerative changes and also lead to a decline in general health status."
The drop in cholesterol was not a result of medication. "Very few of the participants in this study were receiving cholesterol lowering treatment at the time the decline in cholesterol levels was observed (there were few cholesterol lowering medications around at that time in the 1970s), so medication was not responsible for this," Dr. Stewart explained.
"The drop in cholesterol was instead probably caused by some other event and was a 'marker' of risk rather than actually increasing the risk itself," he concluded.
Arch Neurol 2007;64:103-107.



Ben A. Barres and Stephen J Smith. Science, November, 2001, Vol 294, pp1296-7.
"The smooth operation of the nervous system depends on rapid commmunication between nerve cells at meeting areas called syapses. Although synapses were first identified 100 years ago, their fomation, a process called synaptogenesis, has remained something of a mystery....two intriguing but unanticipated conclusions about synaptogenesis have been reached. The first is that neurons by themselves form few synapses unless they have help from other nerve cells called glial cells(1-3). The second reported by Mauch, et. al..., is that the synapse-promoting signal released by glial cells is CHOLESTEROL(emphasis mine)...

...Neurons in culture form few synapses unless glial cells called astrocytes are present. Astrocytes increase synapse number by secreting cholesterol bound to large lipoprotein particles containing apolipoprotein E (apoE).

These particles are internalized by neurons, leading to increased cholesterol within neuronal membranes . It is possible that apoE also activates yet to be identified signaling pathways within the neurons . These changes stimulate an increase in the number and efficacy of synapses."

Refs noted in above quote:
1. FW Pfrieger. BS Barres, Science 277. 1684 (1997)
2. EM Ullian., S Sapperstein, et al Science 291, 65 (2001)
3. K. Nagler, D. Mauch, j Physiol533. 665 (2001)
4. DH Mauch, et al Science 294. 1354 (2001)

[as an aside --apoE IS the SAME lipoprotein that researchers "target" by statin use in patients with alzheimer's--statins decrease apoE, which many researchers "theorized" was responsible for amyloid aggregation found in Alzheimer's--and because individuals with APOE-4 gene variations have been shown more susceptible to developing Alzheimer's in a couple of studies...what if their theory is incorrect??]

It may or may not be important that the lipid that constitutes the largest percentage of all fats found in the SUBSTANTIA NIGRA is "dolichol" and dolichol production is directly dependent upon the mavelonate pathway--the same pathway that is totally blocked by all statins. does this fact have clinical relevance--who knows--no one has asked the question. it is just assumed that it must be okay..or hoped that it is in fact not an issue. or by not addressing it, it is in fact a non issue....

okay lets do this simple
1980 medicine started to really fight cholesterol heart attacks decline
1980 a disease found in the early 1900s suddenly becomes an epidemic thats what the alzhimers assoc. calls it
lipitor and other meds control lipids and stops heart desease

apoe3 &4 have the first role of controling and distributing cholesterol and causeing hardening of the arteries [apoe 3 needs two copies] once the meds fight and stop that from happening the next thing apoe 3-4 does is create amyloid beta protien. apoe is a gene and is in the bodys cells amyloid protien is in the cerebral fluid. amyloid beta creates plaques which kills neuro transmitters causing alzhimers . they are also being tied to frontal lobe dementia and schizophrenia.
So what this means is when the doctor says stop eating fat and take the meds . he needs to explain by the time you would of had a heart attack in your 50s . Alzhimers would already be there.Why have we not seen this well its because most usually have A stroke of heart attack prior to full blown alz.
This is an excuse for the strange behavior of ftld.
now we have people with no heart attacks of strokes with early dementia starting in their thirties.

I happen to be a genealogist. families with a major disease leave a trail.
so the trail for alz. is arteriolosclerosis,heart attacks,and strokes

my wife is the case above her dad died of a heart attack at 53. everyone else in her paternal line died of arteriolosclerosis until her uncle. he had heart attacks and stroke but died at 75yrs of alz, so the strokes would be blamed for the beahvior. her grand dad had strokes and was put in mattapan hospital [which was a mental hosp]. they didnt put people there for strokes alone.. he convinced the son to take him home. to quote my wifes mother he was never quit right.
now my wife who takes several meds is full blown dementia probably Alzhimers, frontal lobe dementia and schizophrenia. she is in year 25 or so.

if you dont believe this search dementia & apoe
get an google alert for apoe you;ll see half are for cholesterol and the others are for alzhimers