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glenntaj
01-08-2007, 08:23 AM
--and figured I'd get the expert opinions here.

A number of you know my wife is the ultramarathoner who runs 50-60 miles each week. (Back in her major competitive days 3-7 years ago, when she ranked in the top 20 in North America, she used to run even more, up to 80 miles/week.) she is now 45, and over the last two years or so, even on this running schedule, she's gained about 15 pounds. She also feels more tired and logy than when she was training even more.

Now albeit she is older, and she has a demanding job (although the latter has always been true). But we've been noticing in her checkups that her TSH levels have been climbing upward--they recently been in the 2.5 area. I know that optimally they should be in the 1's, and that the American Academy of Endocrinology has urged a changing of the TSH normal range guidelines down from 0.5-5.5 so that the upper limit is around 3, with people near there watched for signs of subclinical reduced thyroid function. Unfortunately, many physicians, including endos, don't seem aware of this recommendation. My wife's physicians are among them, and therefore have never ordered any measures of T3 and T4. (I'm working on them, and many of you know what a pain I can be, faxing/e-mailing clinical papers. My wife finds this embarrassing.)

The other thing that's gotten me suspicious is that my wife's menstrual cycles have gotten shorter than they used to be--down from about 33-35 days to 27-29 days--and she absolutely has the periods from ****, much greater in flow and duration than several years ago. It's been enough that she fights a chronic low-grade iron deficiency anemia--and THAT would never have been noticed if I hadn't insisted on iron/Ferritin/TIBC testing. (She is on slow Fe 65mg/day, which keeps her in lower normal ranges.)

I should also mention that she has been an asthmatic for a dozen years, and takes Asmanex 220mcg/twice a day, Singulair 10mg/day and Albuterol 2 metered puffs before her training runs. Her asthma is not perfectly controlled--she still has intermittent problems, and has been on varied other meds in the past, including Advair diskus, with pretty much the same moderate control.

What I'm looking for advice on--until I can get her a full thyroid work-up, are there any foods/supplements that she could take that would help to naturally upregulate her thyroid function, without interfering much with other meds? I've always wondered whether the long-term usage of asthma meds may be having endocrinologic effects . . .I do suspect she's perimenopausal, but the weight gain, given all that running, is worrisome. (It's hard to imagine she has insulin resistance problems given her activity leve . . .)

Any advice would be appreciated.

RathyKay
01-09-2007, 02:23 AM
I'm actually lurking here looking for other info. I should really start out with a warning "I know nothing about this, but..." Last week I went for Tom's follow-up DAN! doctor appointment. Tom's TSH was 3.05. The test results showed "Normal" as the range you quoted, and the doctor said it should really be below 2.5. He wants me to take Tom's temperature 4 mornings in a row - *before* he gets out of bed. If his temp is 97.6 (one degree lower than normal) 3 out of 4 mornings, then we'll do something about it - signs of hypothyroid. Unfortunately, I can't remember *what* he said we'd start supplementing, so I'm not a lot of help. Tom seems like he's getting a cold, so I haven't bothered taking his temp yet... I keep thinking the cold would skew the results.

The menstrual cycles sounds peri-menopausal. Purely anecdotal, it fits with my Mom's description. The doctors told her she was too young for menopause. She read in a "trashy novel" about some woman going out like a "stuck pig" and realized that, yes, it was menopause. I'm not sure what options are available, but my Mom "solved" the problem with a hysterectomy.

JudyLV
01-09-2007, 09:59 AM
Glenn,
You can find a table listing symptoms of low thyroid and/or adrenals here
http://www.drrind.com/scorecardmatrix.asp
This is my doctor's website. He has been treating me for many years and he definitely knows his stuff.

Kathy,
Low body temperature can be indicative of low adrenal function. This needs to be corrected before thyroid medication is started. If you check out the above site there is also a section on taking and tracking body temperature.

--Judy

shespeaks247
01-09-2007, 09:23 PM
My doctor doesn't go by TSH (thank the Lord!!! Because I waded through 14 years and seven doctors and wound up with SIX autoimmune diseases because no doctor would treat my Hashimoto's autoimmune hypothyroidism!).

My doctor goes by the actual measurements of the thyroid hormones...he does Free T4, Free T3. And he medicates with natural dessicated porcine thyroid (Armour Thyroid), which has all the hormones in it the thyroid makes (if it could that is).

If you want more information about hypothyroidism, an easy to understand website is www.thyroid.about.com.

Pam

mrsdoubtfyre
01-10-2007, 09:41 AM
There are many signs of hypothyroidism..and weight gain is not a cardinal one.
It may appear, but weight loss is not a guarantee after treatment.

I cannot imagine a hypothyroid patient running and exercising to the extent of your wife. One just cannot do it.

Some signs:
Intolerance to cold (wearing socks all the time, even in summer)--low morning body temp (see the website at about.com)

Hair falling out... losing hair on the arms/legs as well as the head

Orange discoloration of the skin -- very noticeable on palms and soles..I had this big time--this is due to betacartene deposition in the skin, a failure to convert it to retinol Vit A by the liver.

Very low fasting blood sugars (in the 70's range)...

Carpal tunnel in hands, tarsal tunnel in feet--do to deposition of tissue and edema

Swollen face/puffy eyes

Sleeping alot/fatigue

Elevated cholesterol readings

era
05-20-2007, 12:43 AM
Rather than adding supplements to her diet, I would suggest that you first find
out if your wife is developing Hashimoto's, then see if there is something in
her diet that is causing it.

Hashimoto's is the most common cause of hypothyroidism. Any doctor should
be able to run a test for the antibodies; as I recall, the test is called thyroid
peroxidase, or TPO. Even though the test has a threshold above which the
patient is considered to have Hashi's, be suspicious if she is slightly under the
threshold.

If she is developing Hashi's, it could be caused by something in her diet.
At this point, you could run a complete set of ELISA tests to find out exactly
what she is allergic to. However, it would be less expensive to look at the
biggies first, like gluten and lactose.

It is a known fact that gluten intolerance can cause Hashi's, and the longer the condition is allowed to continue, the more permanent the destruction will
be. If your wife does have Hashi's, ask the doc to do a gliadin antibody
test. (Gliadin is one of the proteins in wheat gluten.) If she does have
antibodies to gliadin, you can end the search there: get her onto a gluten-free diet, pronto.