The Battle of the Diets: Is Anyone Winning (At Losing?) [Archive]

Ted Hutchinson

10-23-2009, 06:58 AM

Thank you for the links. I saw when I had to go gluten free that I immediately lost weight, but when I started substituting other grains and finding alternate carbs (like pastas) to buy, I started gaing weight back. That made me go aha! It's the grains/carbs.

I don't think I could stomach Atkins for very long.But if you look at what happens when people actually think they are following Atkins by the book.
http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss230/tedhutchinson/chrisgardnerAtkinsOrnishfatcontent.jpg
You see Atkins on the top line they start off getting carb intake right down but gradually, human nature being what it is, they slip a bit by the end of the year.

The point is they are still taking in more fat and fewer carbs so they have food intake nearer to that which our DNA evolved to function best with.

This is the plan I followed (http://blogg.passagen.se/dahlqvistannika/?anchor=my_lowcarb_dietary_programe_in) and still follow. It's a bit like Atkins maintenance level.

One thing people forget is that a lot of metabolic research is done on rats/mice and the researchers forget that they are fundamentally different from humans. They don't have gall bladders so haven't evolved to eat fat (no wonder they do badly on high fat diets) but also their brains are different. Human Brains have ten times the number of astrocytes than we do neurones and although they operate at a lower level of activity the amount of metabolic activity is huge. But reducing the saturated fat content of our diet we are reducing the ketogenic potential and that is fundamental to neuroprotection. Ketogenisis is a natural brain anti inflammatory. Like vitamin d3, omega 3, magnesium. It should be ample in Human breast milk. (http://drbganimalpharm.blogspot.com/2009/10/body-fat-loss-mct-oil-kicks-crpola-out.html)

Anyone not using MCT or Coconut oil is missing a trick for increasing weight loss.

goddessoflubbock

10-28-2009, 05:30 AM

I started out thin, so thin I was teased about it. At 18 I got married and had a baby about a year later, followed by another baby 11 months later. I was so thin with the first pregnancy docs pushed me to eat. I complied. To the tune of 60 lbs. Twice. I never had morning sickness - just cravings LOL. I gained more than I weighed to start with.

Over the years I tried everything, weight watchers, liquid diet, super low calorie diet, you name it. I rarely dropped more than 10 lbs but regained them plus some more after each failure. It was like a switch was flipped.

When the kids were 11 and 12 I was remarried and got pregnant again. I vowed not to gain weight as I was already overweight. I gained a total of 6 lbs.

After he was born I was stuck at home and gained weight.

A year ago I became disabled and lost my job, and that last "baby" was 13.

I started shopping only from the outside edge of the food store (all fresh ingredients).

I never denied myself a meal or made any effort to count anything. In a year, I'd lost almost 90lbs.

I still have a ways to go, but I have found that if it isn't processed, I don't gain weight.

What was shocking was DH. He has gone from a men's 36 in waist to a 30 this year, and if he didn't have the extra skin he's be at least a 29.

All those foolish diets I went on, all the money spent, wasted.

We never considered ourselves bad eaters before. Our kids don't see fast food ever, we didn't eat out but once a week - at a sit down place always, and didn't eat frozen prepared meals.

Now if I want pasta I make it. I make the tomato sauce from scratch also.

And I personally eat 6 small meals (about 150 cal each) a day. I am diabetic and this has lowered my blood sugars amazingly. If I'm hungry I have a snack. But usually I'm coming up on a meal anyway.

This worked for us, but YMMV.

Ted Hutchinson

10-28-2009, 08:02 AM

Fortunately those who follow a low carbohydrate diet don't have to suffer semi starvation but can eat an unlimited amount of food sufficient to avoid hunger.

Those who follow this link (http://blogg.passagen.se/dahlqvistannika/?anchor=my_lowcarb_dietary_programe_in) will see that the range of foods that are available is enormous. I've not had any trouble of the time I've been following nor does one have to spend any extra money.

The point that goddessoflubbock seems to have disregarded is that those following the ATKINS type of diet in this study DID not stick to the plan rigidly but over the year still ended up eating less and weighing less even though they were told they could eat all they wanted.

Atkins and similar LOW CARBOHYDRATE plans DO NOT require you to buy extra foods or special foods. I certainly don't spend more money now than I did before eating this way. I certainly could not manage on 150calories a meal or a total of 900calories a day. Fortunately I don't have to. By not eating those foods that stimulate your appetite your need to eat through the day is diminished.

Don't forget that Dr Dahlqvist devised her plan for her diabetic patients.
Dr Bernstein also uses a low carbohydrate way of eating to control his diabetes.

We would not suggest to alcoholics who have a problem with alcohol, it was a good idea to take alcohol in small amount six times a day, so why is acceptable to say to diabetics, who have a problem with carbohydrate metabolism, that they should have carbohydrate with every meal?

The simplest way for diabetics to avoid highs and lows in glucose levels is to stop eating those foods that cause insulin spikes.

Naominjw

10-28-2009, 05:30 PM

I find that low carb really IS what goddessoflubbock is talking about. Buying everything fresh whole foods IS a major part of what Atkins is about. When I first went gluten, soy, dairy and egg-free, I naturally lost weight while eating all I wanted. Why? Because I eliminated processed foods and grains except for my brown rice. Then, I learned to eat differently - added quinoa, found gluten-free cookie mixes and gluten soy free brownies and was taught how to substitute for eggs and butter, and no duh... I started gaining weight again.

So I jumped onto the lower carb band-wagon. Quit eating processed foods. Eat foods with lower glycemic index to cut sugar and carb cravings.

Even vegetarians can do a low carb diet. I am not vegetarian.

I do not claim to have all the answers. I am still trying to find what I can live with yet not be overweight.

Ted Hutchinson

10-28-2009, 06:18 PM

I agree that low carb eating need have nothing to do with buying ready meals or special foods and is a lot easier if you make it yourself.
I suspect that goddessoflubbock as she was still making pasta was not thinking about low carbohydrate eating.
I don't think she has yet sussed that some foods, particularly refined carbohydrates are addictive and stimulate the desire to eat more.
I don't think goddessoflubbock has understood what makes your body release fat that's locked in fat cells and burn it for fuel.

One of the sad things is that most metabolic researchers haven't twigged these things either.
We all have brains that are about 10% neurones and 90% astrocytes. Because we can image the energy requirements of brain neurones we assume that the astrocytes exist on nothing. Nobody seems to have worked out that astrocytes are ketogenic and like to burn fat.

No wonder low fat diets make people depressed.

Because the majority of cells in our brains are ketogenic we find that diets that facilitate greater fat burning, by reducing reliance on glucose and by including coconut oil or MCT (medium chain triglyceride oil) are neuroprotective. The period when brains are growing fastest are immediately after we are born. That's why mother's breast milk contains such a high percentage of MCT oils. It keeps the majority of you brain cells fueled.

goddessoflubbock

10-29-2009, 05:07 AM

I can't help but wonder if this question wasn't posted just so the poster could proseltyze (sp?) on his "answer".

I answered the question. I did not disregard any points, I disregarded the post in its entirety as it had nothing to do with my road travelled.

Nor did I EVER say I have a carb with every meal.

The diet I grew up on as a child - when I was so thin? Well my mother was Italian so you could count on pasta in some way, shape, or form 5 nights a week. And my mother, who is 78 and doesn't even own Tylenol, is still a trim size 8.

I do eat less than 1000 cal a day, because I don't burn a lot with my disabilities. However, the 6 small meal a day plan has worked for many people I know. Obviously more active folks would take in more calories at each sitting.

My sole point was that eating mostly just fresh foods, buying what I call "one-ingredient" items, is healthier.

If I want pasta, yes I make it. The effort of which certainly helps offset the carbs I get. I also make my own chicken soup and various other forms of deliciousness my family loves.

I also grew up without many bad food habits. I got candy at Easter and Halloween, that was it. Never had soda. Never had chips, snack foods. So I never developed a taste for them.

Losing weight isn't magic. It doesn't require taking pills or drinking magic elixirs. Eat healthy, get exercise (even in my condition I do 90 mins 3x a week), and don't deny yourself a small indulgence, just don't let it become the norm.

My dr has been very pleased. I recently had bloodwork done and my triglycerides, which were always a problem because of the diabetes, were 142. My cholesterol was 153. And I don't take any meds for either, never have.

goddessoflubbock

10-29-2009, 06:04 AM

I was reading some of the older threads in this category, and some of the rhetoric sounded REALLY familiar.

I have come across you before Ted Hutchinson - on some Diabetes fora *I* am still a member of.

I can see for myself that you are quite a salesman and adept at cut and paste, wondering if you'd care to share your credentials, if you have them?

Ted Hutchinson

10-29-2009, 07:50 AM

I can't help but wonder if this question wasn't posted just so the poster could proseltyze (sp?) on his "answer". I am interested in reading and trying to understand the latest research that will help us reduce the amount of chronic disease we are currently experiencing. Mostly I simply post the research that interests me and which fits with my own personal experience.

I answered the question. I did not disregard any points, I disregarded the post in its entirety as it had nothing to do with my road travelled. This includes "Type II diabetes, asthma, anomia from chronic hypoxia, peripheral neuropathy, migraines, pulmonary hypertension, CHF, sleep apnea, TMJ; DH and DS have ASD's, DD has ODD and bipolar." If anyone needs to understand better the role of vitamin d and omega 3 in the brain it is you and your family. Rather than suppose you have the answer you should try to recognize how the conditions you and your family currently suffer are the result of the way we eat and the symptoms displayed can be to some extent improved by attention to the vitamin and nutrient levels maintained.

Nor did I EVER say I have a carb with every meal. Indeed but the fact you are eating pasta at all with Type 2 diabetes is somewhat shortsighted IMO

My sole point was that eating mostly just fresh foods, buying what I call "one-ingredient" items, is healthier. Sure but that is how most people organize their food when eating low carbohydrate and excluding wheat and grains.

If I want pasta, yes I make it. The effort of which certainly helps offset the carbs I get. But the idea that calories in = calories out applies only if you are a machine. People respond differently and find some foods oblige your body to store fat and others allow you to burn fat. Given that most of the cells in you brain prefer to burn fat rather than glucose paying attention to their needs may be more effective.

My dr has been very pleased. I recently had bloodwork done and my triglycerides, which were always a problem because of the diabetes, were 142. If you go to Heartscanblog (http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/search?q=TRIGLYCERIDES) you will learn how to lower those triglycerides further. USE CONTROL F to bring up a new searchbox and then enter triglycerides and you will be able to skim through Dr Davis's blog and learn how he reduces triglycerides in his patients using effective strength VITAMIN D3 and OMEGA 3.

Ted Hutchinson

10-29-2009, 08:08 AM

I was reading some of the older threads in this category, and some of the rhetoric sounded REALLY familiar. In order to make it absolutely clear who I am I post in my own name and use a recent photo so you can be sure it really is me speaking even when I am on a different forum or replying to a newspaper article.

I have come across you before Ted Hutchinson - on some Diabetes fora *I* am still a member of. you may enjoy being a member of a forum that is working to increase the incidence of diabetes and indeed seeks to maintain diabetics dependence on prescribed medicines. I think it's our moral duty to put prevention first, not diagnosis and treatment. Similarly BEFORE people become dependent on a battery of drugs to treat their condition they should have it clearly explained to the what the alternatives are and at all times the aim should be to decrease reliance on medicines.

The reason I'm so keen on people knowing about Dr Dahlqvist and Dr Bernstein is that they put the best long term interests of diabetics BEFORE the best interests of the drug industry. It's a pity that all forums for diabetics don't apply the same ethical standards.

I can see for myself that you are quite a salesman and adept at cut and paste, wondering if you'd care to share your credentials, if you have them?As this information is readily available online I see no reason to repeat it. As I have said on other threads what matters is not the "opinions" of any internet nerd but the evidence that is used to support their opinions. I always show people where the science is that I am relying on.

If you understood better the science explaining how the brain and body works, you would be better able to provide the nutrients required to enable a reduction of the number of problems you and your family are experiencing all of which appear to be diseases of civilization and thus not conditions that would have occurred in early primitive societies.

Perhaps you would like to make a start with Dr McCleary on Migraines (http://brainblogger.com/author/larrymcclearymd/) and reading his blog is a fairly easy introduction to brain metabolism. (http://www.drmccleary.com/) his book is well worth reading as well if you can get it from the library.

goddessoflubbock

10-29-2009, 09:32 AM

You have no idea how I or my family members come by our dx's, but hey I'm game.

Tell me how I can reverse the effects of pulmonary hypertension?

This particular dx I developed as a result of listening to stupid family members and a doctor who all told me my excess weight was going to kill me soon (this was in 1995, the weight hasn't done me in yet)and I took Redux. .y doc stared me right in the eyes and said "it won't damage your heart like those other drugs".

Modern medicine hasn't been able to save me from this one, how about you?

Ted Hutchinson

10-29-2009, 11:42 AM

You have no idea how I or my family members come by our dx's, but hey I'm game.But there are common denominators that underlie the modern diseases of civilization and looking at the list in your signature suggests there are certain factors common to all those conditions listed.
It makes sense to deal with the most common mineral/nutrient deficiencies first. So what I say in relation to your pulmonary hypertension applies equally to all the members of your household and probably to most other readers of this thread.

Tell me how I can reverse the effects of pulmonary hypertension? Start by learning about the factors that underlie this condition
Relationship Between Serum 25-Hydroxyvitamin D and Pulmonary Function (http://chestjournal.chestpubs.org/content/128/6/3792.long)
We know that using up to 10,000iu/daily of Vitamin D3 is absolutely safe so perhaps if you started using 1000iu for each 25lbs you weigh and then in 3 months get your 25(OH)D tested that would be a start. Aiming for levels above 55ng/ml allows an adequate reserve to deal with inflammation.

Correcting vitamin d status with an effective amount of D3 (around 5000iu but maybe more) also improves your uptake of calcium from your diet. Because calcium tenses nerve fibers and excites brain neurones and thus may cause cramps and tense feelings, it is often necessary to counter the effect of extra calcium availability with extra magnesium. 68% of USA are magnesium deficient and that is using RDA's that are way too low. So taking an effective amount 400~600mg of magnesium, such as magnesium malate, magnesium citrate of an albion chelate form, is probably a good idea particularly as magnesium lowers blood pressure. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12160191)

Look at what an effective amount of omega 3 (2~4g omega 3 EPA+DHA) does to blood pressure and triglycerides (http://journals.lww.com/jhypertension/Abstract/2009/09000/The_effects_of__omega_3_fatty_acids_and_coenzyme.2 0.aspx)

Modern medicine hasn't been able to save me from this one, how about you?I think you are right there.
That's why we have to try to understand what is happening in our body and then look to see what recent research shows us is likely to be an effective, safe way of dealing with that problem.

goddessoflubbock

10-30-2009, 12:59 AM

I have pulmonary hypertension, high pressure in the pulmonary artery. At my last PFT I passed nicely. My blood pressure is typically quite low, running 90/60 or thereabouts.

My diabetes is controlled by diet, I developed it as a postscript to gestational diabetes in my last pregnancy.
As for my vit D and calcium levels, not a problem for me. I had to agree to have them regularly tested for my doc to allow me to continue on a course of medication I take for an unrelated issue.

My doc is more concerned about my sun exposure - we get about 320 days a year of sun and I'm out there for the bulk of them. Been a sunworshipper since childhood.

Got the TMJ and sleep apnea courtesy of my first husband ;( He did some serious damage.

My kids are very healthy, never see the doc. DS is autistic, but he's happy and doing extraordinarily well. DD, unfortunately got a rough start. Her birthmom did drugs while pregnant, and was bipolar as well. She's a straight A student struggling to overcome what was thrown on her.

So believe it or not, a lack of vit D doesn't cause all ills, and insane vit D supplementation does not cure them (although it probably pays your bills).

As I said in my original post, when I switched to eating all fresh foods, avoiding anything with more than one ingredient, the weight literally began to fall off of me.

I had tried it all - liquid diets, weight watchers, my mother even bought me one of the Richard Simmons deals, and nothing.

As for the alcoholic analogy, not all people who enjoy a drink now and then become alcholics, anymore than someone who has the occassional hi carb meal suddenly craves only carbs 24/7.

Despite my dx's, I feel healthier than I have in a long time. Do I have bad days? Yeah, we all do.

With consistent exercise (real exercise, not like pilates or aerobics)I have become stronger than ever.

And I realize it won't work for everyone. I know people who lose on WW, I gained. So yes, YMMV.

Ted Hutchinson

10-30-2009, 07:21 AM

My diabetes is controlled by diet, I developed it as a postscript to gestational diabetes in my last pregnancy. Gestational diabetes is related to low vitamin d status. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18544105?)

As for my vit D and calcium levels, not a problem for me. I had to agree to have them regularly tested for my doc to allow me to continue on a course of medication I take for an unrelated issue. But the problem is that the levels NORMALLY used to determine sufficiency are BELOW the optimum levels for optimum function. Unless you know your 25(OH)D is currently above 55ng/ml you cannot be certain raising Vitamin d status to or above that level will not improve matters. People with inflammatory conditions use more vitamin D (and other anti inflammatory agents) than healthy people.
Read some of the vitamin d diabetes research (http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/researchDiabetes.shtml) before you reject this idea.

My doc is more concerned about my sun exposure - we get about 320 days a year of sun and I'm out there for the bulk of them. Been a sunworshipper since childhood. I'm glad to hear it but that doesn't convince me you are not currently vitamin D3, omega 3 or magnesium deficient.
Vitamin d3 is a fat soluble vitamin, it gets absorbed into fat cells and stays locked up in them and doesn't circulate. It's the circulating 25(OH)D supply that is required and most overweight people have too low a level of circulating 25(OH)D.
Read the research evidence linking obesity to low vitamin d status (http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/researchObesity.shtml)

Most USA adults have a 20<>1 omega 6<>omega 3 ration where less than 4<>1 is associated with optimum health. While 2g daily EPA+DHA would help in the short term Reduction in omega 6 intake is probably required if heart attack risk is to be reduced in the long term (http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/10/heart-attack-risk-reduction-low-hanging.html)

68% of USA adults are magnesium deficient (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19828898)and that's using a very low RDA. I doubt you are any different in this respect from the average US citizen.

a lack of vit D doesn't cause all ills, No but we have to understand that low vitamin d status in pregnancy as demonstrated by the development of Gestational Diabetes (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19015731) vitamin D insufficiency during pregnancy is potentially associated with increased risk of preeclampsia, insulin resistance and gestational diabetes mellitus. Furthermore, experimental data also anticipate that vitamin D sufficiency is critical for fetal development, and especially for fetal brain development and immunological functions. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19692182)

Developmental vitamin D deficiency causes abnormal brain development. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19500914)

insane vit D supplementation does not cure them The only level I have ever suggested is well below the level at which toxicity has been recorded. (http://www.grassrootshealth.net/media/download/vieth_sip_vitd_cancer_symp_2009.pdf) The insane here are those will not recognize the evidence when it is put before them.

(although it probably pays your bills). I don't sell vitamins or minerals. By the time most of us are old enough to understand about Santa Claus we also have grasped the unfortunate truth that something that sounds to good to be true generally is. I make no income whatsoever from suggesting the cheapest most efficient source of those vitamins/supplements I suggest have research evidence to support their use, but like everyone else who uses their brains and takes advantage of all the discounts available, I do get some heavily discounted supplements.

goddessoflubbock

10-30-2009, 09:40 AM

The biggest thing I suffer from is poor choices made in my 20's coupled with bad advise from the medical establishment.

When I was getting "excellent medical care" I was on over 400 units of insulin a day, my A1C was too high to be measured, and I gained weight every week despite counting every calorie and carb I ingested. I was also on blood pressure meds but couldn't get it below 140/90.

Then the best thing in the world happened to me - I got fired. I then had to carefully monitor every penny I spent. I became much more involved in my medical care.

I went from taking 23-25 pills a day down to almost nil - I take alpha lipoic acid and 81 mg of aspirin.

I am way past having any more kids so whatever happened in my last pregnancy is 15 years in the past. Despite the diabetes it was my easiest pregnancy of all, helped by the minimal 6 lb weight gain I'm sure (which only occurred after I was dx'd and put on a special diabetic diet). I likely suffered insulin resistance for quite some time before that - I had the tell-tale patches of darkened, thick skin on my neck and elbows. Today my elbows and neck are soft and smooth.

I guess my problem is I listened to every snake oil salesman who came down the pike in the past. Now I listen to me. My docs know I will need time to consider before taking their "orders" to heart.

I eat well, my diet includes lots of green leafies and little in the way of meats (not going to push my kidneys into overdrive). My kids like pureed parsnips better than mashed potatoes, so I think I'm on the right path. It's working for us, and that's all the validation I need.

Naominjw

10-30-2009, 10:40 AM

... Now I listen to me. ...
I eat well, my diet includes lots of green leafies and little in the way of meats (not going to push my kidneys into overdrive). My kids like pureed parsnips better than mashed potatoes, so I think I'm on the right path. It's working for us, and that's all the validation I need.

I completely agree!! Congratulations on finding what works for the people most important in your life! My younger daughter cannot stomach much meat, and additionally must be gluten, dairy, soy, and egg-free. (I eat meat, but also cannot have those foods). So, she is vegetarian. Additionally, there are some nuts we cannot have. We have chosen different paths to lose weight - both of us medication induced albeit different meds. Both exercise, of course, but there, our current diets diverge. We each seek what works for ourselves, with knowledge of science but also knowledge of our own selves.

As you have discovered - one can eat low carb / low glycemic index with wholesome whole foods minus the meats.

Ted Hutchinson

10-30-2009, 01:17 PM

The biggest thing I suffer from is poor choices made in my 20's coupled with bad advise from the medical establishment.Indeed the advice currently issued "officially" to diabetics is bound to adversely affect the long term outcomes.

I went from taking 23-25 pills a day down to almost nil - I take alpha lipoic acid and 81 mg of aspirin Therefore it sounds like you are still vitamin D3 omega 3 and magnesium deficient.

I guess my problem is I listened to every snake oil salesman who came down the pike in the past. Just because you took bad advice in the past is no reason to ignore current medical research now. Every day there is more and more research confirming the benefits of optimum vitamin D status for diabetics. IGNORE IT AT YOUR PERIL.

Now I listen to me. My docs know I will need time to consider before taking their "orders" to heart. You may choose to remain at risk as long as you like. It won't change the fact that those people with a higher vitamin d status have a lower risk of CVD. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19762371) You can take as long as you like making your mind up. It makes no difference to me how long you spend vitamin d, omega 3 and magnesium deficient

I eat well, my diet includes lots of green leafies and little in the way of meats (not going to push my kidneys into overdrive). My kids like pureed parsnips better than mashed potatoes, so I think I'm on the right path. It's working for us, and that's all the validation I need.If you think diet is going to significantly resolve your current vitamin d deficiency status you are mistaken. Diet can at best provide only 10% of your daily need and that is if you eat oily fish daily.
Now we know the ideal vitamin d status for CVD risk reduction is above 55ng/ml it's simply absurd to pretend otherwise. Similar evidence exists for omega 3 and magnesium intakes.

If you choose not to do the best for your own health or your kids that's your choice but don't say I haven't tried to explain to you the facts of the matter.

Ted Hutchinson

10-30-2009, 01:22 PM

I completely agree!! Congratulations on finding what works for the people most important in your life!There is absolutely no evidence to support the idea that goddessoflubbock has found optimum health. The evidence is both goddessoflubbock and her family have serious health issues.

As you have discovered - one can eat low carb / low glycemic index with wholesome whole foods minus the meats.But this type of diet does not and will not and can not address all your body's nutrient needs and will inevitably compromise your health in the long run.

Identify the sources of vitamin d omega 3 and magnesium for starters.

goddessoflubbock

10-30-2009, 03:44 PM

I never said I didn't have health issues I need to continue to improve on.

I also stated that the bulk of my problems are because of bad choices I made in my 20's. Which often included blindly following "medical advice" which I've learned not to do.

I am hoping that my lifestyle changes just haven't come too late to really impact my health.

Most people would rather pop a pill than put in time at the gym. I'm tired of pills. They have often been behind making me sicker, not better.

As for my children, neither has a nutritional-related problem.

My own mother, who avoids sunlight like a vampire, smokes 2 packs a day for years now, and continues to eat the same carb-laden diet she always did (every meal has carbs, she eats 4 slices of white bread a day!)is 78, slim, trim, and never sees a doctor.

So yes, people can live to a ripe old age without taking supplements and measuring their intake of this or that.

It is too bad that it bothers you so much that someone can do well without your help.

According to the messages I've gotten from others here, you just continually make yourself a persona non grata. You may wish to rethink your approach.

And you didn't get banned for trying to help people. You got banned for violating the TOS.

Ted Hutchinson

10-30-2009, 04:51 PM

I am hoping that my lifestyle changes just haven't come too late to really impact my health. It is never too late to make improvements to your dietary and lifestyle choices.

Most people would rather pop a pill than put in time at the gym. I'm tired of pills. They have often been behind making me sicker, not better. The secret is to read the scientific evidence and only take those with a proven track record.

As for my children, neither has a nutritional-related problem.That is your opinion and is not based on scientific fact.
You may find this worth reading as parent of a child with ASD (http://www.behavioralandbrainfunctions.com/content/pdf/1744-9081-5-44.pdf)

My own mother, who avoids sunlight like a vampire, smokes 2 packs a day for years now, and continues to eat the same carb-laden diet she always did (every meal has carbs, she eats 4 slices of white bread a day!)is 78, slim, trim, and never sees a doctor.The fact that some individuals can break all the rules and survive is not a reason for everyone to act that way. It is clear you didn't inherit all her genes so cannot act in the same way.

It is too bad that it bothers you so much that someone can do well without your help. It only bothers me that some people don't realise the risk they are facing and refuse to consider the evidence. For goodness sake the cost of an effective strength vitamin D supplement is so trivial it really isn't worth your while arguing about it. You haven't yet produced one piece of scientific evidence to support your case. I presume you will only worry about heart disease and alzheimer's when it's too late to do anything about it.

According to the messages I've gotten from others here, you just continually make yourself a persona non grata. You may wish to rethink your approach. I will continue to read and report the scientific evidence as it is reported and if you don't want to read it don't read my posts.

And you didn't get banned for trying to help people. You got banned for violating the TOS.I will not be bullied by anyone who wants to stand in the way of the truth. The fact is that people need to know where they can get 25(OH)D tested at the cheapest price. If you stop me posting that information then you have to take responsibility for the results.
Low Vitamin D Levels Linked to Increased Risk of Death (http://www.stopagingnow.com/news/news_flashes/6633/Low-Vitamin-D-Levels-Linked-to-Increased-Risk-of-Death)Bear that in mind.

goddessoflubbock

10-31-2009, 02:12 AM

I wasn't planning on responding again, as I didn't want to be responsible for giving you more reason to spout your pedantic ramblings. I am sure that if you were selling vit B12 we'd all be under an onslaught of links about the life-saving benefits of that vitamin.

But then you posted a link about ASD's. Was I surprised it was a story about mercury? Not in the least. You certainly fit in with that group.

Contrary to the piece you linked, my son has no learning difficulties, never has. He has a very high IQ as well. He just thinks differently, and frankly, that's not a bad thing.

With nothing more than my help with coping skills, etc., as well as some input from adults with autism, he has grown into an amazing 14 year old boy. He has a girlfriend, is in marching band, and is very popular.

There is nothing more than anecdotal evidence that any other methods work (and some are dangerous). This includes the ever-popular gfcf diet.

Same goes for my changed approach to eating. It has worked wonders for me (in fact I'm off the plateau, saw the doc today, down 12 lbs since my last visit on 9/11).

My mention of my mother is merely again to point out, clearly very few vitamins are required for some people to live a long and healthy life. Is it partly genetics? I'm sure it is. I happen to have none of my mother's genetic material. I'm adopted and actually 100% Irish - not a drop of Italian in me.

Anyway, I'm very happy where I am today. Things are all going in the right direction for me.

So please save your rhetoric for someone more gullible. I am done.

goddessoflubbock

10-31-2009, 02:29 AM

I completely agree!! Congratulations on finding what works for the people most important in your life! My younger daughter cannot stomach much meat, and additionally must be gluten, dairy, soy, and egg-free. (I eat meat, but also cannot have those foods). So, she is vegetarian. Additionally, there are some nuts we cannot have. We have chosen different paths to lose weight - both of us medication induced albeit different meds. Both exercise, of course, but there, our current diets diverge. We each seek what works for ourselves, with knowledge of science but also knowledge of our own selves.

As you have discovered - one can eat low carb / low glycemic index with wholesome whole foods minus the meats.

Naominjw - I completely missed your post! So sorry ;)

I am so glad you and your daughter have found food choices that work for you. I know a few people with food allergies and bad reactions, and I can't imagine having to be so hyper-vigilant!

I don't know if I could live without eggs :( I've never been big on too much dairy.

I started growing my own spinach after the e-coli and salmonella issues. I don't have room to grow as much as I could eat! I started a garden because I wasn't finding quality produce here, it has slowly grown every year.

As for the medications - I am sure the high doses of insulin and other diabetes medications had caused me to gain a lot of the weight.

Have you ever made/had seitan? I honestly don't know if it is gluten free or not. It is basically a bread where you knead the dough under running water for what seems like forever, and it removes the carbohydrates. It almost looks like Italian bread when it is cooked.

I am glad you found a path that is working!

Ted Hutchinson

10-31-2009, 08:41 AM

So please save your rhetoric for someone more gullible. I am done.I'm sure you will be. If you were able to provide one shred of evidence that the research I've presented was fundamentally flawed you would do so.

Those whose minds are not closed and who have got the means to understand the latest science may want to watch
Taubes Dartmouth Lecture that goes over the basics (http://www.dhslides.org/mgr/mgr060509f/f.htm)

and in a similar manner Suger The Bitter Truth Robert Lustig (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM) These should help you understand why the research I pointed to at the start of this thread produced the results it did.

Those who continue to deny the latest research findings and have no science to support their allegations opinions or beliefs really deserve to suffer the consequences of their wilful ignorance.
Basics of Vitamin D supplementation set out here (http://www.naturalnews.com/027345_Vitamin_D_sun_exposure_blood.html)

Here is an excellent summary of the reasons why our current diet leads to the problems detailed above (http://nephropal.blogspot.com/2009/10/health-philosophical-standpoint.html)

goddessoflubbock

10-31-2009, 03:54 PM

The science I believe in is credible and will stand the test of time.

Just as you feel no need to illuminate the fact that you clearly have a horse in this race, I have no need to provide the empirical scientific data on which I rely.

Of course your "science" speaks for itself. - In 60% of cases, the cause of autism is unknown.... In fact, the cause of autism is unknown in virtually every case - there are a few, rare exceptions.

Of course my only interest in the science on autism is the best interest of my child. I can only speak for the people I know - not all autistics (or their families) want a cure. Many, including our family, find it to be a benefit. Our son is not damaged - he has an advantage over his peers.

I also missed your point on migraines (I log on via Blackberry and don't always catch everything); my migraines are also the result of the TMJ, which is a direct result of damage to my jaw/neck area thanks to my first husband when I was 19.

You must be careful in making assumptions about things you know nothing about.

Ted Hutchinson

10-31-2009, 04:24 PM

What you haven't grasped is that there is a period between the time something is discovered and the time when it is generally well known and accepted.

You may think that your sleep apnea has no known cause but others think differently.
When Pounds Go, Sleep Apnea May Improve (http://www.vitacost.com/DailyHealthTip/When-Pounds-Go-Sleep-Apnea-May-Improve)

In the same way the fact that some experts believe the cause of autism is unknown there are others who have a pretty good idea but are waiting for the proof to emerge. If it costs very little to act on their believes and no risk to health is involved then the sooner you act the sooner you benefit. It's a win win situation.

So you don't HAVE TO WAIT for the final proof to be known by everyone in the universe before you act.

Some people are slow learners and they are particularly slow in learning when their jobs and mortgages and income is on the line if they are obliged to recognize and publicize the truth.

You won't find Diabetes charities or Diabetes forums pushing the latest understandings because if they do they know their part in withholding the truth will become apparent. The longer they can withhold the truth the longer they get maintain their current credibility. Once people understand how by controlling their pro inflammatory inputs and maintaining their anti inflammatory status the fear that drives Diabetics will be reduced. Diabetics will be in a position to control the condition with less reliance on medications.

There is nothing expensive or dangerous in eating a low carbohydrate diet or maintaining a high anti inflammatory status. Doing so simply replicates the circumstances under which our DNA evolved.

It's a pity you don't bother to read the links I provide, if you did you would eventually understand why your current diet is contributing to your current state of health. I managed to achieve my weight loss target in 6 months. It helps understanding the science behind the way of eating you choose.

goddessoflubbock

10-31-2009, 10:28 PM

Ok, now I have to go there. You're an idiot.

I've read AND commented on your "links".

I also EXPLAINED what caused my sleep apnea. My ex-husband, a so-called man, rearranged my anatomy.

You are clearly illiterate (as exemplified by your response to my post about pulmonary hypertension which had nothing to do with THAT disease) and spend your time posting worthless links.

You have made it clear you are unable to communicate on your own evidenced by your response which have either been non-sensical or non-responsive.

Ted Hutchinson

11-01-2009, 06:58 AM

Ok, now I have to go there. You're an idiot.
The only person here who looks ridiculous is the person who cannot and will not provide academic sources to support their opinions.

Of course you want to blame others for your condition and I have no doubt that these other contributory factors do play a significant part but it's also the case that common things, commonly occur.

You have provided no evidence your 25(OH)D status is adequate nor have you suggested or implied you have corrected your omega 3 omega 6 ratio nor have you corrected your probable magnesium deficiency.

If you attended to your anti inflammatory needs while changing to a low carbohydrate based diet you would find your pro inflammatory status would reduce and your weight and health improve.

It isn't that the links I provide don't relate to your condition, it is that your unwillingness to see how you MAY be helped alter your current position is blocking your understanding of their possible relevance. If we take the Scragg paper on Pulmonary Function you should have grasped that those with the highest vitamin d status had better lung function. Having a low vitamin d status is in fact, according to his study, worse than smoking at causing poor lung function. That is not an excuse to start smoking but an indication of the need for vitamin d.

I can't help people who won't be helped.

goddessoflubbock

11-01-2009, 08:39 PM

You are the one who has a one-track mind and cannot fathom anything possibleoutside your ideas.

I am not posting my lab results online. I do not have to justify myself to you.

I have not blamed others for my condition - except where blame is due. I was however, lucky. I got off with some minor difficulties/impairments. My ex-husband's second wife ended up dead.

My pulmonary function is fine. You have not bothered to find out what PAH actually is, and so your "science" is irrelevant.

You also totally ignored everything I stated about my diet. My magnesium levels set around 400. 320 is the recommended level, and in the case of magnesium, excess is in fact toxic.

No, I don't need to post links to the science I follow. Because anyone can google it if they want. I'm not here to jam my decisions down anyone else's throat, unlike some people.

If pepple want to believe vaccines cause autism or other ailments, let them. It is survival of the fittest at the end of the day.

You spend an awful lot of time making assumptions (here and elsewhere) about people you don't know. That's a very dangerous game. There's a lot of crazy people out there.

Ted Hutchinson

11-02-2009, 06:34 AM

That's a very dangerous game. There's a lot of crazy people out there.Indeed that is why you, in particular, must try to make the effort to understand the latest science and apply those findings to your own and your families health conditions.

You don't seem to have grasped that both asthma and pulmonary hypertension both cause shortness of breath and that Vitamin D status improves pulmonary function by around 20%. You say I don't understand but in fact the failure to comprehend is entirely yours. I simply don't understand the motives of anyone who knowing they could improve lung function by 20% simply by correcting vitamin D insufficiency and getting levels up to above 55ng/ml 135nmol/l and for the cost as little as $15 a year, refuses to do so.

Sure staying vitamin d deficient is a dangerous game and I agree there are a lot of crazy people posting here.

As I have now pointed out many times it is sheer folly for someone with a condition such as diabetes to regularly consume refined carbohydrates.
There is an example in this forum (http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?threadid=403352) who got her diabetes under control and avoided the use of medication. Low carbohydrate eating isn't a "Cure" for diabetes but anything that reduces reliance on medication is a good thing because ultimately the side effects from medication take their toll.

Getting a greater understanding of how your body works gives you the ability to apply that knowledge to improve your health. That is why I follow those blogs where knowledgeable people share their understanding and explain the latest science. (http://www.nephropal.blogspot.com/)

We do have to point out to people where their views lack recent scientific research needed to provide the evidence to support them.

The low calorie, semi starvation plan, you offered initially has been shown to fail. Low Fat low calorie diets don't work in the long run because people naturally get fed up with feeling hungry all the time.

The diet that works best for everyone, including diabetics and those with heart problems is a lowish carbohydrate plan that avoids refined carbohydrates. That is what this thread was for and your continued contributions to it are simply counterproductive as you are unable and unwilling to provide any scientific support for them as I do. (http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/)

goddessoflubbock

11-02-2009, 08:39 PM

I don't have to provide "scientific evidence" to someone who hasn't paid one whit of attention to what I've said.

1. I'm not starving. I'm never even hungry.

2. I never said I did, nor do I, eat a diet of refined carbohydrates.

3. I never said I suffer from shortness of breath. I did say my last PFT was perfect.

4. What I am doing is working. You state ambiguously you reached your "goal weight" in 6 months. I stated specifically I've lost about 90 lbs in little over a year.

5. My A1C is consistently in the 6's now. Without the 100's of units of insulin and multiple pills I used to need.

6. I get my d levels, calcium, and a host of other things checked several times a year.

My reference to crazy people was a warning to you - your continued behavior of pushing your agenda down people's throats may some day piss someone off enough that they come looking for you. You do tend to be a pain in the ***. You have no idea when people just don't want to hear your crap anymore. I think I have scientific evidence of THAT!

Ted Hutchinson

11-03-2009, 06:50 AM

Warning: Myth Ahead

Eating small, frequent meals throughout the day will help boost your metabolism. This leads to increased weight loss and keeps you out of starvation mode.
Right?

WRONG!

Scientific research proves there is no metabolic advantage to frequent eating! Stop wasting time constantly preparing and eating all that food and stop listening to 'weight loss gurus' who tell you to eat frequently!

An entire chapter of S.P.E.E.D. is devoted to busting myths like this one. (http://www.speedweightlossbook.com/book)
The trouble with people who cannot and will not support the truth of any of their claims with reference to the scientific facts is that you continue to believe stuff that has been proved false.
If you spent more time studying the evidence you would learn where you are misleading people by providing unscientific information.