26 Lies about HR 3200

[Gabriella7]

Here's a site that gives some rebuttal to lies being circulated concerning HR 3200.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twenty-six-lies-about-hr-3200/

Gabriella

[Abby2006]

Oh no, Gabriella, its not that easy;) YOU have to do the research and you start by calling the government printing offfice in Wash., D.C. and ordering HR3200 (all 1100 plus pages $66.00) and read it (as 'I' am) and then you will have something to talk about:p

Abby:)

There was a song that just popped into my head by Shanaia (sp?) Twaine 'That don't impress me none'

[Annie1234]

Gabrielle, in case you don't make it back to Abby's medicare thread, I find it especially convenient and timely that you started this thread about lying because you've given me the perfect opportunity to tell you that I refuted YOUR lies, shown below, on the medicare thread:
http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=65016&page=5

==========Start of my post to Gabriella7==========

Gabrielle, Abby posted a relevant article from a legitimate source, CNBC.com. Her thread started out with many interesting comments and positive debate.

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Originally posted by Gabriella7
Annie...Please do not make accusations that are not true just to keep the posts going.

Gabrielle, you ADMITTED calling Abby a troll when you said "Yes" in your reply to ewizabeth's question . . .


Originally posted by ewizabeth
So, are you saying that the person starting these questionable posts is really a troll?



Originally Posted by Gabriella7
Yes, Ewizabeth, that is correct.


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Gabrielle, you also recently called Abby a troll in Post #6 of thread:
http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/...ad.php?t=65877


Originally Posted by Gabriella7
My impression is that this person who propagates this paranoia with extreme rightwing propaganda is a "troll".

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Gabrielle, there is a difference between calling someone a name and describing their behavior; a simplistic example . . .

Wrong: Elizabeth is a troublemaker.
Right: Elizabeth is acting like someone who makes trouble.

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Gabrielle, Agate has given you some extremely sage advice; you might want to reread her past two posts on this thread.

~Annie

P.S. In Post #27, Abby addresses why her Posts #21 and #24 were accidental; she then properly deleted Post #24 but forgot to delete Post #21 (which contains a word substitution error: insurance for shot).

==========End of my post to Gabriella7==========

Gabrielle, you should also know that ewizabeth posted a very sweet, classy apology to Abby (and to me). Several others still also owe Abby a sincere apology, including you, Gabrielle.

~Annie
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[Abby2006]

I just want her to read the Bill then tell me what it says

Abby:D

[Abby2006]

Word of the day READ

Abby

[Gabriella7]

I finished reading the entire 1100 pages over a month ago.....


Gabriella

[Abby2006]

Isn't that special:p

I'm reading it so I'll be along shortly

Abby

[Gabriella7]

For anyone who would like to read the entire bill it can be found on the open congress website and it doesn't cost $66.00. It is free........

Gabriella

[ewizabeth]

Thanks for the informative link Gabriella. :)

[Abby2006]

Tell me Gabby (may I call you Gabby?) what do you think of subtitle C-11 Section 2521 National Medical Device Registry?

Abby

[Abby2006]

All truth passes through 3 stages:

First it is ridiculed
Second, it is violently opposed
Third, it is accepted as self evident

Abby

[notasperfectasyou]

All truth passes through 3 stages:

First it is ridiculed
Second, it is violently opposed
Third, it is accepted as self evident

Abby

Ya know Abby, that’s so true it’s even been published:

Charlton, Bruce 2008 False, trivial, obvious: Why new and revolutionary theories are typically disrespected (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18434041)

A friend send me this link a while back to let me know it might take a while for folks to see the usefulness of antibiotics in MS. Was supposed to be a pep-talk. Ken

[Abby2006]

I ran across it in a swine flu article

Abby

[Gabriella7]

Abby, In view of the fact that this is a MS board and not a political discussion forum, I would like to invite you to a discussion that is already in progress about the National Medical Device Registry, C-11, Sec 2521.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/H.R._3200/Division_C/Title_V/Subtitle_C

Gabriella

[marcstck]

A rational reading of the "National Device Registry" section of the health bill makes it clear that this registry is intended to determine the safety and efficacy of implantable devices, such as pacemakers, baclofen pumps, etc.

Only in the paranoid, delusional minds of the extreme right could this be seen as an attempt to implant tracking chips into every American, as is being asserted on wingnut blogs and websites. Oooooooh, it's the "Mark of the Beast", run for the hills! Don't even look at Obama, or you may turn into a pillar of salt...

It's incredible what some people will believe...