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Dan Burdick
11-26-2006, 06:22 PM
They finally find a receptor site for an unusual hallucinogen called Salvia, and immediately propose creating a blocking drug agent for use in socalled "schizophrenia." What cheesy frauds the psychopharmacologist doctors. :rolleyes:

Originally posted 10-10-2005.

Like to complain again about a technical topic area where other's fear to tread. A little something I've been working with here before, which my fans may recognize. (Either one - - or Both.)

The hideously brilliant and technical chemical developmental research involved
in their (super scientific) reseachers looking for the new wonder drugs.

One look at that level of the proceedings and we may be inclined to step back in reverent awe. That's part of their program, well, you know... ****... if they can handle developmental-organic-chemisry, then How can We possibly criticise their selling us (rat poison) their products?

Here's my little topic area again-

They're working on a schizophrenia treatment (in actuality, read that instead: new patent drug they can make money with.)

I was looking around, on the computer,
at stuff on the internet about
seritonin
agonists (that is,stimulator drugs)
and antagonists (depressor/blocker drugs.) Looking at stuff on halucinogenic drugs.

There's this one type of seritonin receptor type called 5HT2a (Seritonin 2a). The researchers determined that certain, partcular psychedelic drugs are 5HT2a agonists.

Pretty cool. They can tell that certain hallucinogenic drugs stimulate 5HT2a. Way to go organic-chemistry-brain researchers! Reverent awe!

Well that's IT. Good enough research right there! Psychopharm researchers for A.P.A. psychiatry could immediately turn that factoid around to their benefit! Good enough for Psychopharm!! All they had Now to do was cook up antagonists for 5HT2a, and announce what steller researchers they were; that they had come up with a New wonder drug based upon modern biochemical scientific research.

{ from a google search for "zyprexa risperidal 5HT2a D2," http://sorrel.humboldt.edu/~morgan/schiz_05.htm "Advanced Psychopharmacology Spring, 2005" In the section entitled EMPIRICAL RESEARCH
note the dose of haloperidol. Note, in their safety and efficacy tests, the drug dose of Haloperidol they employ when using it as the old-drug standard comparison to the new drug under study: "20 mg of haloperidol." This is not so much in the way of being the optimal dose as being a, deleterious, maximal dose. See for instance http://www.mentalhealth.com/mag1/p5m-sc03.html and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract } {also consider that patients given placebo would probably be in heavy neuroleptic withdrawal, "extrapyramidal side effects was no greater in patients receiving 6 mg of risperidone than in patients receiving placebo," and that if they were comparing these drugs to Haloperidol at 20mg and finding that they had a superior ability to "treat negative symptoms," that haloperidol at a 20-mg dose causes people to deteriorate significantly with regard to Brief Psychiatric Rating Scale ratings of Withdrawal-Retardation: blunted affect, motor retardation, and emotional withdrawal. (see above, the 3rd URL) }

So their new wonder drugs risperidal (Ratsperishedall) and zyprexa (ZyclonXedya)
new wonder drugs
don't merely block dopamine 2 (as the old wonder drugs did
..for the last 50 years, of sales, to the needful sick people - bless them one and all! the humanitarian savants!...

They block seritonin 2A receptors as well !!

{And that's not all. They used their expertise to design for other deep thought considerations as well. Equally suffiscated. So these drugs are too too modern. They could not used-to-have-dealt with these deep questions & ideas and matters three decades ago - new technical capabilities...}

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Some (other) researchers developed some work and said: Look! These psychedilic drugs are 5ht2a receptor agonists!

And the drug companies chemists said - we can play that game!
We can make somethings to clog those receptors. Voila - cutting edge new "antipsychotic" medicine developmental research.

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Anyway I just saw this same topic again. (Halucinogen information being used by the Folks of the Psychopharm Fraud as a bogus scientific pretence for clogging neuroreceptors in the guise of creating a new faux specific treatment.) Up till recently we did not know, at all, what the powerful Sativa Divinorum did. This unique Sacred divination plant was diferent from all the others.

I just saw that they had "a breakthough on the Sativa Divinorum front," so to speak, they have just found and described an associated, unusual, receptor site where it is in some manner an agonist.


http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl...allucinogen +
Previous above URL not known now due to memory crash. See: http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/182234399

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We are told, that they are thinking of antagonists for this receptor site,
part of cutting edge "antipsychotic" "medicine" research.

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Genius!! Simply Genius at work. Such humanitarians! Bless them for their Brilliant thinking and their Altruistic motives! Bless the Rockefeller Foundation, and Harvard too. (Take your meds now, Tiny Tim.)

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&sa=X&oi=scholart&q=Sheffler+et+al,+Salvinorin+A:+the+%22magic+mint% 22+hallucinogen+

Cry Tears
11-27-2006, 04:06 AM
I do elder care for one sweet dear woman. Wealthiest woman in town!
So sad to see such meds taking an emotional toll on her.
I asked her social worker as to why they were giving this to her despite the contraindications written on every web site warning not to be given to the elderly! That one side effect is dropping dead!
I told this SW that I was worried....do not want to lose my little lady freind needlessly. Yes....she does have a lot of problems such as getting up every 3 hours...playing with her "Funny papers"....but so what!
She goes back to bed after 10 minutes or so.
She's been doing this for 10 years....why medicate her now?
Thats what we're paid to do, watch over her even when she's up during the night "playing". She does like to dry paper towels on the stove:eek:
But one of the cautions in using Respirdal is sudden death! Not to be used in elderly.
Maybe my lady doesn't fit this category...she's only 92 YO!

She's now sleeping the entire night, but has daily bouts of rage and anger, worsening confusion, anxiety...gosh....there's more, but they are now treating this with other meds.:eek:
Yesterday she was going to call the police on me for stealing her clothing when I pulled them out of the closet to wash them. This is so unlike her. She cried after she came to her senses.

This dear SW :mad: told me the doctor has used it on 20 other patients and whats written on the web may or may not bereliable. OK....I realize this ....I may be nuts, but I'm not stupid! And I don't give a danged if this doctor uses it on other elder people
The SW also reminded me that I am not medically trained...that the doctors know what they are doing....OK....just where do they get their training?
I can read and retain most of what I've read.
Just because I don't have a degree in medicine does not mean I can't educate myself in this area.
I just hate giving her this pill...but I must as I am not the one calling the shots! I'm terribly worried for her life....she's an absolute delight to care for.
I see nothing good in this medication for her.
Sadly I can do nothing to stop them from giving this to her.
Cheryl
On the brighter side....they promised us a good dusting of snow here in Eagle Creek, Oregon! But they lie a lot and we'll probably just get the dreary constant dripping skies!

Dan Burdick
11-27-2006, 09:13 PM
Thanks for the positive reply,

Unfortunate about your elder friend, and sorry about your position in the scheme of things. That situation is mirrored all over the world. The people leading the pharmaceutical industry have strong control of medical schools and society.

David Moyer wrote a book Four Generation Bipolar Odyssey. His father had bipolar syndrome starting after he was a soldier in World War 2. David grewup with his father's efforts at employment, life and "hypomanic" pursuits getting him in social and legal troubles. David Moyer became a clincal social worker in charge of mental health operations in the US Airforce for 26 years. His son became hypomanic with bouts of manic psychosis when he was at the end of four years of music college. David Moyer suspended his predudice and used his slow speed modem to look through the web. He writes of his experiences learning of and dealing with the parrellel universes of mainstream and alternative medicine including dealings with the judicial system.

Anyway David is a responsible person and this is a noteworthy book. And, at one point Moyer writes something like -- his social students had a hard time accepting that Truth is based on what Power defines it to be.

Your social worker is an example of this. As if the doctor wouldn't be a challenge enough, the social system has an intermediate apologist for the doctor's actions or the social system as it is functioning of which he is a part. Instead of being like David Moyer's students (if I recalled that adequately) she's all for that. She'll just put her self on a hierarchy totem pole social straitum, sort of below the doctor - but With (or with the system for which he stands), and you below that level on the totem pole somewhere.

SW is With that Power defined truth. SW can dig it, man. The psychiatrists are famous for this themselves.

Some people are in institutions with the Doctor, Nurse Ratched, aids, goons, courts and judges, injections, pills and restraints and these rhetorics they affect.

I tried to show your post to a couple people at the SAFE Inc. Wonderland drop-in center in Springfield. I was saying look at this I made this post and here is this real-world reply I got today. Didn't get much help on how to reply.

One fellow from the Eugene Commission on Human Rights subcommittee on Mental Health said, nevermind that the source of the unreliable internet information is the drug company's own literature...

Someone suggested I look up what county Eagle Creek to see what county is. What mental health system. Unencorporated city of Clackamus County.
(Now if your Doctor and SW could just discorporate themselves...)

From Frank Zappa song http://www.asklyrics.com/display/Frank_Zappa/Absolutely_Free_Lyrics/147944.htm

BUT you aren't working under a "Mental Health" doctor in the system are you? The doctor for the sweet old woman is a regular doctor?

I had a girlfriend in Klamath Falls, worked in a nursing home with the elderly. "Snowed" is a term. The patients, or, a patient would be/ could be snowed.

The SW remarking "The doctor giving twenty patients risperdal." Well, first off, that prescribing is certainly typical and is supported and instigated by the psychopharmaceutical interests. The SW saying twenty as some kind of arguement is interesting -- it is evident that it violates principles of human logical function. Thus I read it as a "social" or "games people play" hostility substituted (hostilely enough) for actual human logical communication. I.E. It is true because I say it Is!! Or Noone can question the doctor prescribing this to a patient because the doctor has been prescribing it to twenty. Or Noone can question that this is valid treatment in Medicine because it is "Traditional" (Ritalin) having been Used in Medicine for 50 years!

It makes it dificult to repond because they have the power card and they are speaking as such. It is like reponding to neocons, impossible, one cannot debate with a lier.

Search:

Over Medication of the Elderly
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22over+medication+of+the+elderly%22+&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22overmedication+of+the+elderly%22+&btnG=Search

"Keep taking the medicine? Antipsychotics and the Over Medication of Older People. Its Causes and Consequences." by Paul Flynn
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22Keep+taking+the+medicine%3F%22+Paul+Flynn


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Alright got the ear of a peer specialist here:


Speaking to the doctor puts one in a tracked converstion. They are the trusted aid, one puts themselves between saying "you know this has a laundry list of bad effects", and "you may kill them with this." And they say they know the patient has problems.. and if you were the expert they'de kill themselves... something like that - an automtic situation that goes nowhere

Like Rocky Horror Picture show the lines are known ahead of time.

Someone in your position can't communicate successfully. Trying has been seen to lead to lines in a play, tracks on a record.

Does this person have control of their own medical desicions? Is their someone she trusts? Does the family have conservatorship?

This peer-specialist said that Clackamus county is progresivenow in mental health. EI Empowerment Initiatives has two county funding for programs that are working well. Pat Risser is a good guy.

Clackamas County Oregon peer mental
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22Clackamas+County%22++Oregon+peer+mental+

Pat Risser Clackamas Country
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Pat+Risser+SPIRIT+%22Clackamas+County%22+&btnG=Search

Empowerment Initiatives Clackamas County
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Empowerment+Initiatives+%22Clackamas+County%22+&btnG=Search

brokerage clackamas "oregon advocacy center"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=brokerage+clackamas+%22oregon+advocacy+center%22

Clackamas Multnomah "Pat Risser"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=+Clackamas+Multnomah++%22Pat+Risser%22

Empowerment Initiatives Brokerage "Pat Risser"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Empowerment+Initiatives+Brokerage+++%22Pat+Risse r%22

You might want to check that out, check those local people.

Risperdal impacts endocrine function (amenorhea in females, hyperprolatinemia, lactating boys, that sort of thing). Licorice herb may this some so drinking the tea is an idea. Turmeric protects against oxidation and impacts inflammation - the curcumin passes the blood brain barrier. The impact of these drugs on metabolism (such as say possibly impairing production or CoQ10) seems to be a type of information nor readily available even in hard technical articles.
Antioxidants such as C, Gamma E, Alpha Lipoic Acid, N-acetyl Cyteine, and melatonin at night are among items that could help an oxidation component in neurological problems and could mitigate undesirable pro-oxidant actions of given pharmaceuticals.

Kelp and Celtic Sea salt might be substituted for regular table salt for extra minerals.

Green tea catechins also pass the blood brain barrier.

Nutrient Protection
SAFE HARBOR:
http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/articles/default.htm
http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/articles/natural.htm

(I am barely a member at this Drop-in center and anything I write does not represent it but only me and my limited recounting can't be considered accurate let alone representative of anything but what I personally happen to write. )

Green tea and liquorish good. Melatonin - sleep. There is a good angle for you. Melatonin decreases with age. Waking of elderly is connected to a pacity. Melatonin protects the brain from types of oxidation caused by the abnormal Amyloid Bata protein which is a key ure in the pathology of Alzheimer's. Replacing melatonin to provide for help in sleeping for the elderly as a fist line of intrvention before drug use is very sensible and might actually be something that could be communicated.

Anyway I was at a loss as how to respond am not too with it myself.
Thanks for the job you do it is a good thing.

regards,

Dan Burdick
writing today from Wonderland drop-in center 762-4900