methyl-B12, as a nerve restorative

[empathy]

Strictly anecdotal, but still: I've been giving this to my Mom (now 90) methyl-B12 under the tongue ('sub-lingual', as stomach acids destroy this vitamin), towards slowing her dementia and memory loss (which is diagnosed as likely being from 'multi-infarct' / mini-strokes). I've been unable to find any remarks about too much B12 being toxic, and I've been using 3 x 1000 mcg (micrograms) per day with her, for years.

At first, after a week, I noted a large increase in her REM (Rapid Eye Movement) during her naps (so I figured, maybe something's happening). A month later, tiny bits of her memory returned (stuff I'd thought were lost forever).

After five years, the net result? Her steady mental deterioration appears to have slowed, by around 1/3rd to 1/2, near as I can judge (I've been her fulltime family caregiver for just over a decade now).

empathy

ps. She's also (since before this) been on lots of daily buffered aspirin, for her heart condition, and the aspirin (I guess) in itself ought to slow down further multi-infarcts / mini-strokes. I'm figuring the methyl-B12's effect is in addition to the anti-coagulant.

[Buttons2]

We had so much data on the old forums about B12! I just posted something you might want to read on Emotional Support forum.

Rose (from old BT) has literally saved some lives with all her info on B12. I've been taking it for a couple of years. I give it out as gifts to people in my life. It's cheap & effective!

I too, have regained some of my cognitive skills.

Be sure to get some folic acid to help your mother along with the B12. Hopefully Rose & Mrs. D will come over here from BT2 and post some info. I also take B1,3 and 6.

Were you on here before the crash? Sorry if I don't recognize you & thanks for posting this,the more people that get educated about the benefits of B12-the better!

Take care & hope you are taking care of YOU,being a caregiver is more than most people could tolerate.

Buttons2

[nopain]

Like any vitamin or mineral if the body is deficient then it will help. How to prove Vitamin B12 deficiency. The medical test includes a radioactive isotope. Yikes!

I have had B12 shots and I take B12. No real difference for me. The Naturopath I was seeing suggested to try the shots as there seems to be little if any known side effects. And her thinking was if you note improvement then we can test further.

There was in fact tons of great posts on B12 before the Forums crashed.

You would be well served to investigate Enzymes like serrapeptase and enzyme combinations like world nutritions Vitalzym and Wobenzym in lieu of asprin. It may do your mom more benefit than the asprin.

You can read more about the therapy here

http://www.systemicenzymetherapy.com/TherapeuticApplications/BrainInflammation.htm

Enzymes are in wide use in Europe and Japan and well tested and tolerated. Seems to be no side effects. I take them and they have helped. Not much money to be made from them, while there is a ton of money to be made from prescription meds (Almost 1 out of 2 Adults over 40 takes at least 1 prescription med in the USA) so you are not going to find much of a push behind them here in the USA.

[annelb]

It is sad that so much old information is still missing from this forum. Here is Rose's site for B12. http://roseannster.googlepages.com/home

You may want to check out the vitamin forum for more information. http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=70
Anne

[haven'tgotaclue]

I've been unable to find any remarks about too much B12 being toxic, and I've been using 3 x 1000 mcg (micrograms) per day with her, for years.

ps. She's also (since before this) been on lots of daily buffered aspirin, for her heart condition, and the aspirin (I guess) in itself ought to slow down further multi-infarcts / mini-strokes. I'm figuring the methyl-B12's effect is in addition to the anti-coagulant.


empathy,

B-12 supplements certainly will not harm your mom. Her body
will use what it needs & the rest will be excreted in her urine. It's what is called a water soluble vitamin, meaning
it does not accumulate in the body & cause toxicity.
I would suggest you research any vitamin that you give to your mom as some are what they call fat soluble & they do accumulate in the body & can cause toxicity. Toxicity can cause as many problems as deficiency can.
These web sites have lots of info: Excellent
http://www.answers.com/fat%20and%20water%20soluble%20vitamins

Enteric coated aspirin isover the counter & a good anti-coagulant after any kind of blood clot. One that causes a stroke, heart attack or thrombophlebitis (clot in the lower extremety). I am a nurse & I take it myself daily because I have had a blood clot before. Enteric coated is good because it protects the stomach lining from irritation.
I also suffer from B-12 deficiency & take a B-12 1cc shot sub-q weekly.

Please do not give anything to substitute what are doing without her doctors permission. These are serious conditions, not to be taken lightly. I know the other poster meant well & enzymes may work but there ia not enough evidence for the medical community to recommend them at this time. If it were my mom, I wouldn't risk it.
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If your mom is doing ok...so are you. Wishing you the best.

God Bless, TJ

[davidmic61]

In December 1998 I was at Barrow Neurological Institute for a shunt revison. Post surgery I lost a good deal of my memory, and there was concern it may never return. After much research of medical text and journals, my father was able to convince my neurosureon to have me injected with B12 IM. Whether my memory deficits were reduced due to B12 or just the natural course of healing, we will never know, but it certainly didn't hurt.

[abbot]

Well I am not particularly aware of the benefits of the methyl-B12 but I have been dealing with a patient of neurology who happens to be my aunt for a long time now. In this regard I would like to know about the role of the sugars that heal. Yes these seem to have become a new craze for all as the benefits they can provide us are coming up. Researchers are getting astounding results trying these on patients for specific health conditions, and I also happened to see some headlines which stated the benefits of this sugar with neurology. Therefore can someone detail me further regarding this aspect?

[nopain]

In this regard I would like to know about the role of the sugars that heal. Yes these seem to have become a new craze for all as the benefits they can provide us are coming up. Researchers are getting astounding results trying these on patients for specific health conditions, and I also happened to see some headlines which stated the benefits of this sugar with neurology. Therefore can someone detail me further regarding this aspect?

If you say you know little about them then why do you link to a store in your signature? You are endorsing something you don't know about? Odd.

I have studied them and there is practically ZERO research USA or Otherwise to back up the claims the supplement distributors (Multi Level Marketers) are making.

I could find no studies on the supplements benefits what-so-ever. I did of course find the same internet testimonials being passed from site to site. And while there is valid research going on into the various components - glyconutrients, there is next to nothing on the benefits of suplementation. And it's not a secret what is contained. Yet none of the vitamin manufacturers are jumping on board.

Would you care to back up your claims of research with something solid so people may read for themselves?

BTW: There are plenty of useful studies backing up B12 - perhaps you should look into them?

[Cry Tears]

Yes....those MLM do something...big time!
My wallet is much thinner!
My time forever lost, wasted in listening to MLM people excited to "share" with me.....hours spent convincing me I should "sell" them to help others!
That time is gone! Long gone! So....you see it actually does something!
Several bottles of all those expesnive MLM items did nothing for my neurological problems.....10 cents worth of B12 did miricales for me as well as other's I've so freely shared.....thank God for B12! and the free advice so lovingly given here on BT.
I didn't have to sign up or pay dues....It was all 100% free advice and it saved my life!
Blessings, cheryl

[Ted Hutchinson]

Low vitamin B-12 status and risk of cognitive decline in older adults (http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/86/5/1384)
Low vitamin B-12 status was associated with more rapid cognitive decline.

Euvitaminservice (http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?unique=5e7fe&catalog=yhst-40991373658050) is another reasonably priced source of Methylcobalamin

I am only comparing price + postage I've no information on the quality of service/product supplied so please don't regard suggestions as personal recommendations.

[Cry Tears]

[QUOTE=Ted Hutchinson;178086]Low vitamin B-12 status and risk of cognitive decline in older adults (http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/86/5/1384)
Low vitamin B-12 status was associated with more rapid cognitive decline.
Aaehhemmmm!...Not JUST the older adults...unless I'm considered "older" at 55...I'm not talking speed limit...is my age!
I've had a heck of a time with mentation...became a serious issue before I began supplimenting.
My mother began showing signs of Alz before her 60th BD.
I'm very convinced is from a B12 defiiency...she started having Hypo-throid, Hashi Motos like every single person in that family!
Doesn't b12 def cause this, auto-immune Hypo Thyroid?
Tks, cheryl

[Black57]

Hello, I am new here but I have done lots of reading on this subject. I just purchased a book called the Brian Trust Program and I recommend it highly to everyone on this site. This book was written by doctor Larry McCleary. Her is an exerpt taken from his book on B vitamins.

The B vitamins---thiamin ( B1 ), riboflavin ( B2 ) niacin ( B3 ) pyridoxine ( B6 ) cobalimin ( B12 ) folic acid,, pantothenic acid,biotin,and choline make up a family of nutrients that plays fundamental roles in the functioning of the nervous system. Although these vitamins have important functions throughout the body, and reducing homocysteine and decreasing the risk for heart disease and stroke, their critical nervous system and brain-related tasks range from driving energy-generated pathways to balancing hormone levels to helping manufacture neurotransmitters ( chemical-signaling messengers ) such as acetylcholine.

Vitamin B12 nad folate are necessary for the formation of myelin. It goes on to say that when defiicient in these vitamins, in an adult, can result in sever weakness,loss of mental function, depression of mind, motion and_ if left uncorrected ___can lead to memeory loss and even dementia. See pages 99 and 100. I highly recommend this book.