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Keggy
04-18-2008, 08:16 PM
I feel like I have come full circle. A long, long time ago (like 18 years ago) I thought that stress may have lead to my dd's difficulties. I have considered many other things since.

I have been studying the effect of trauma on people, nothing scientific, just noting things about my clients art work and histories. Most of my schizophrenic clients had a traumatic (stressful) event happen to them during their childhood. I wonder if the difference between them and my clients with autism, is that their stress was after their birth and those on the asd spectrum was prenatal.

Yes, I know many of our kids became autistic after a vaccine, but a vaccine adds more stress... kinda like the straw that broke the camels back.
Its not something that anyone will ever talk about (I would imagine) because there will be a lot of blaming of who caused the stress. My pregnancy was stressful and in addition I had a car accident in my 7th month.
I had this article here from 01 (i think). You can read it or ignore it, but what I would like to ask is what do you guys think? Did you have a completely stress free pregnancy or did you suffer some trauma, physical or emotional, especially during the period they mention in the article (about 24 to 28 weeks)?

MAJOR STRESS DURING PREGNANCY LINKED TO AUTISM
COLUMBUS, Ohio - Women who have had a major stressful event - death of a spouse, job loss, or a long-distance move - midway through their pregnancy may have a greater chance of having an autistic child than do their unstressed counterparts say researchers at The Ohio State University Medical Center.

In a presentation at the annual meeting of the Society for Neuroscience in San Diego, Dr. David Beversdorf, a neurologist at OSU Medical Center and principal investigator of the study, reported on a study of 188 women who had delivered autistic children. The research showed that these women were more likely to have experienced a major stressor the 24th through 28th weeks of their pregnancy.


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Stress levels for the mothers of autistic children were nearly twice those of other mothers in the study.
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"Researchers have been examining the genetic component of the disease for years, but there is now evidence through this study that autism is also linked to external factors, such as prenatal stress," he said.

Beversdorf and his collegues asked mothers to document their stress levels when stressful events occurred during their pregnancies. The study included the mothers of autistic children, 212 women who had normal births and 92 women who had children with Down's syndrome - a genetically caused neurological disorder caused by chromosomal abnormality.

The researchers then used a standard psychological measure - The Social Readjustment Rating Scale - to gauge the impact at four-week intervals that those stressors had on the women.
For the study, a "major stressor" was defined as a life-altering event in the woman's life, such a loss of a loved one or losing a job.

He noted that the numbers of women experiencing major stress during any certain four-week period in their pregnancies remained fairly constant during the study for normal and Down's syndrome pregnancies. Stress levels for the mothers of autistic children were nearly twice those of other mothers in the study.

"We expected that a woman who has had an autistic child or a child with Down's syndrome would tend to remember these life stressors more easily than a woman who has had a normal birth," he said.

"What we were looking for was this rise in the numbers of who had a major stressor during this time period (before 32 weeks) and that these women also had autistic children."

Beversdorf and his colleagues believe their research supports earlier animal studies that suggest stress during specific periods in the pregnancy may lead to structural changes in the brain that have been linked to autism.

The timing of the stressful events recorded for the study seem to mesh well, timewise, with the periods of development of the fetal cerebellum - a key portion of the brain that is structurally different in autistic children.

Autism is a neurological disorder that tends to appear early in a child's life, typically before age 3. These children have problems interacting and communicating with others, have a language delay, and develop a narrow and repetitive pattern of behaviors.

These behaviors typically stay with the child throughout his or her life.

"With this information there will be other studies that can hopefully determine what are the causes and influences of autism in children," said Beversdorf.

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Contact: Jill Boatman, Medical Center Communications, 614-293-3737, or boatman-2@medctr.osu.edu
Written by Jill Boatman.

LIZARD
04-18-2008, 11:07 PM
Whenever I'm asked what I think is to blame for Drew's autism, I always say, "My pregnancy." Everything that could possibly go wrong, except miscarriage, stillbirth, and premature birth, went wrong--GM seizure, my parents' shocking split (and why) after nearly 28 years, knowing we had to move to a place where we knew no one, my health going out from under me...I could go on and on, so in a very real sense, we are very fortunate that he doesn't have much bigger problems.


LIZARD

Isabelle
04-19-2008, 12:03 AM
keggy, in my long life and among friends, friends of friends, neighbours, school mates and relatives far and close, some went through serious trauma during pregnancy and from them all ...not one had as consequence a "retarded" or "slow" child as people with developmental delayed were called then, it was not expected.
what everyone was talking about was ways to avoid a "mongoloid" what's called now "down's syndrome" or to avoid a miscarriage, to that there were so many myths or midwives tales.
i believe stress kills if you have some weakness somewhere.

Keggy
04-19-2008, 10:22 AM
Its not just stress, but how you handle stress.

I teach my clients how stress or trauma affects the body, we contract our muscles and squeeze the hell out of our organs. (One reason why I feel our kids enjoy pressure because they miss it from when they were in the uterus).

SOme people could be under tons of stress during their pregnancy at different times, having different affects on the fetus. Some may be handling it better, going to lamaze and doing breathing and yoga.

I am sure you can see that there could also be a correlation in the amount of stress we are under and the growing autism rates?

Gotta wonder

Kristen (ColeysMom)
04-19-2008, 02:26 PM
Coley was conceived in June.

In July I started a new job after being laid off and on unemployment for 7 months.

In September DH & I bought a townhouse & moved together

In Novemeber I sold my condo, one that was a HUGE icon of my career success and independence (purchased after the termination of a long & emotionally abusive relationship with my -fiance).

Mid Novemeber I found out that I was 17.5 weeks pregnant.

The next day DH had emergency surgery for an appendectomy. A VERY severe one. He was on diability until January. I needed to care for him, his wages were of course cut during that time AND I was scared that my new job was hanging in the balance.

We told our families about Coley on T-day...both tranditional catholics. we were terrified even though we were both in our 30's.

We decided to get married, and began planning it. Coley was due 5/3, the wedding was scheduled for 2/28.

Coley was born at 28 weeks on 2/17.

frogmama
04-19-2008, 10:11 PM
My pregnancy was fine - planned preg, easy job with great people, had just found the perfect house, all was peaceful and calm - then ::cue evil music:: dum, dum, dum - the most horrible, traumatic (esp for him!!), painful, prolonged birth you can imagine - THAT is what I blame. He was sensitive to cow's milk and got GI upsets easily. Then 4 vaccine pokes at 14 mos (we were moving cross country, weren't going to have insurance for 2 mos, didn't want him to fall behind in schedule :rolleyes:) in one day, including MMR & Varicella - 1 week later ::cue evil music again:: dum, dum, dum - fever, seizures and personality changes...

Keggy
04-20-2008, 02:19 PM
I had a painful prolonged birthing experience too, started labor on a monday finished up with a c section on Thursday morning because I never dialated. Two hospitals, platocin, oxygen yech!
Yeah.. that was stressful too.

Frogmama.... nothing inbetween though? Maybe around 5 or 6 months? It can be that you were stressed about something more personal and emotional?

That isn't too say that the vaccine wasn't the trigger you saw that made the change. Sometimes I think that vaccine is just the last straw, and the one that makes everything evident. You know, a few years back they did this study on kids with autism. The parents swore it was the vaccine given, but after reviewing videos of the infants in earlier days it was clear that their movements (linear) were more autistic. Its not something that most people would pick up on, you need a very trained eye to see autism in very young infants.

frogmama
04-21-2008, 10:35 PM
I'm going to have to ask my Mom about what she remembers about that time frame - I just can't think of anything (but I do have the memory of a goldfish...) I went in to be induced on a tuesday morning, Matt born by emergency c-section on friday afternoon, he was face up and they didn't figure it out despite 2 ultrasounds. Horrible bruising and hematomas on his face. Matthew DID have some unusual traits from birth, ways he preferred to be held and moved, sounds he couldn't stand, things he preferred to look at, etc. I do remember trying to "make" him make eye contact with me at about 4 months, (which he did begin doing spontaneously at around 6-7 months) but he did develop language - 30 words at 14 months (all logged in his baby book :)) and he was very connected to people and easy to please. I really think it was just a "straw" at the wrong time, that if he had had more time to mature neurologically he might have "just" been ADHD/quirky instead.

mom2nfautism
04-22-2008, 07:59 PM
My first pg was very very stressful, I got marrried on my honeymoon my hubby asked for a divorce then said he didn't mean it. I was in a wreck moving my hubby into my apartment we were rearended. My mother in law died.. I developed preclamsia exteremly high blood pressure, my NF got worse and with NF I didn't know at the time but most women can only carry to 32 weeks. My plancenta ruputred at 30 weeks. the doctor waited 4 hours to take her to see if i would stop bleeding. she had a apagr of 0 at birth and at 1 min even on the vent she had a score of 0 she and I both almot died. She spent 3 mo in NICU on vents and oxgen and came home on oxgen.

I agree with Keggy I think stress plays a part (not in everycase but in some cases) and then the shots is what triggers it. Beth was developing with OT< PT< and SPEECH and with NF it predoptions children to having ADHD, and Autism (i didn't know at the time) and now they link Premature bith to it as well. so she was already headed there but the shots broke threw that last layer that was keeping her ok. and then boom.

I had a stressful pg with Glo to. My ex walked out on me, I was put on bed rest and had no help with a premature 17 mo old baby.. I had precamsia with her too. she to was born at 30 weeks. she to has NF1, ADHD, and Autism

Both girls do. so I think hte shots break through that final layer or triggers it. just my thought and experience.

Bea