the database? gone or not?

[Kamie]

.........................

[mrsdoubtfyre]

The silence on this thread is DEAFENING! :(

[annelb]

I too would like to know if the old data will be restored. Would love to be able to access it even if it were in a read only format. I spend too much time looking for cached info on Google - most of the time I come up empty :(

If it can't be restored, let us know so we can rebuild.

Anne

[Mike Weins]

I had a chance to talk to John yesterday.

The old vB database seems to be intact. There are plans to make it into a read only forum. I don't know exactly when at the moment however.

John's not going to be "home" until Sun or Mon. Once he gets home hopefully we'll have more specifics to pass out.

[CoolAngel28]

Okay,hey Mike,keep us posted,please...:)

[Lara]

Wow, that's great news to hear it's all intact.

Thankyou!

[annelb]

Thanks for the quick answer, Mike - :D

Like the new avatar.
Anne

[mrsdoubtfyre]

Many of us are very concerned about the loss of data.

Read only is fine with me.

I appreciate the communication, Mike.

[linniec]

Until the Database is revived, You Can access old posts--though clumsily. One is contributed by me,Linnie, and the other by bezara.
Linnie's method:

1. go to http://www.google.com (google.com)

2. Let's say for this example only, that you're looking for old posts that contain the word walk
Enter "walk"site:brain.hastypastry.net
Remember to surround the word walk with quotations. There are no spaces in your search. Remember also that brain.hastypasty.net is a .net and not a .com
3.Click on the Google Search button
4.Your search will find several different things. Make certain you Click on the word Cached at the bottom left of each discovery Not the title of the discovery itself.This will lead you to Cached posts. You can scroll through them, copy them, and put them into a new post though you can't answer the cached posts.

Hint: you can even look for your own, or someone else's old posts this way: Try, for example "linniec"site:brain.hastypastry.net If you get a line of page numbers, like 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next , you must click on the word Next to get to the posting
Linnie

Bezara's Method
Use the wayback machine http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

just enter brain.hastypasty.net or braintalk.org if you want to go before the hastypastry.net was created
bezara

[DiMarie]

It is great to ehar that old post are there,
Yet another wait.
But, what is the thoguhts on use of the psoted information. IOF someone is looking for example information on long term disability and while receiving SSDI benefits, can we link or copy the public information. Is their an implied ownership by BT, or the author?

I was once told when it is posted in cyberspacce it is free when we had a party logging all our post and caching them every day....
Just don't want Fed's at my door, I if I repost some helpful tips again!

[mrsdoubtfyre]

Not everything is on Google. I cannot find some things. They were just not
cached.

Not everything is on Wayback either... and Wayback is incredibly slow.
It can take you 1/2 hr to check perhaps 5 or 6 things. Some are archived and others not, inexplicably.

I have found myself, and saved some things over the past months, ..but others, less frequent postings or further down the alphabet, are not there.

[David Hosobuchi]

It is great to ehar that old post are there,
Yet another wait.
But, what is the thoguhts on use of the psoted information. IOF someone is looking for example information on long term disability and while receiving SSDI benefits, can we link or copy the public information. Is their an implied ownership by BT, or the author?

I was once told when it is posted in cyberspacce it is free when we had a party logging all our post and caching them every day....
Just don't want Fed's at my door, I if I repost some helpful tips again!

The answer to this question is yes. This is quoted from our disclaimer everyone agrees to when registering.....

"Material on the BrainTalk Communities Inc. web site is protected by copyright law. Unless otherwise stated, users may print or download information from this site for personal, non-commercial use only, provided they identify the source of the material and include a statement that the materials are protected by copyright law. Reprinting or otherwise reproducing any document in whole or in part is prohibited, unless prior written consent is obtained from the copyright owner."

David

[j*sunset]

Would it be possible for the admins to make a simple list of suggested Do's & Don'ts for when the data is back?

To avoid any problems ahead of time - a list and/or discussion ahead of time would be a good idea.

topics can include-
Linking to the data?
copying your own posts?
copying with permission of the original poster?

Thanks

[dahlek]

Does this mean --that What EVER I post here is your..Copyrighted Property?
I really don't recall agreeing to THAT per-se...But, I can see the pros-and cons...Concerns are as follows and may decide the future life of BT as a community and a future entitiy... I used to work in copyright law and understand how squirrelley it can be..
So, lemee get this right...ANYTHING I post here or elsewhere is BT/YOUR Property and cannot be cited elsewhere?
Say, Should I wish to extrapolate my postings and incorporate them in some published format - I WOULD have to get BT's Permission?
What about instances in which I have been quoted 'out of context' but in part, the extrapolations have been posted as another's original thoughts on another board--how does this all apply? Then WHO how do I raise the issue to since there's been little response to multiple issues HERE to date? If ANY.

Further, this implies that ANY and ALL alternative reference sites I cite here become BT's 'reference properties'?????

It was my understanding that BT was w/in limitations a rather free and outgoing, giving set up. From what you are implying, apparently not. What it COULD imply, is that BT could be used for a variety of medical and life--style purposes, that I believe are in contradiction to it's initial primary mission statements.. Maybe I missed the parts about amendments?

Maybe you got me at a crabby or contradictory moment...but there are clear fundamental issues that need to be clarified. Thank you sir. - j

[Lara]

dahlek,
I don't totally understand the copyright situation although I've read the whole shabang. Here's the Creative Commons link... There might be more in there that can clarify your concerns.

This work is licensed under a Creative Commons License.
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/legalcode

[jd3]

This is a little off the direction the thread is going. But I am looking forward to the reposting of the data base. Printing out information from that would be the only chance I would have to appeal Medicare's decision regarding a successful medication for me(They would not pay).

Thanks to Linnie for the method:) . It looks challenging but doable, provided I follow instructions for a change:p . Perhaps the database will be restored first.

[j*sunset]

Any updates on the data yet? {old posts and threads}

[Mike Weins]

No updates. Catching John with enough time to arrange this isn't as easy as I'd hope.

I'm supposed to talk with him tomorrow evening so I'll post another update if I get any new news.

[mrsdoubtfyre]

I tried to find some archives of vBulletin on WayBack.

That was quite the adventure. WayBack archives has the INDEX...but nothing
else. If you click on the index for old dates, you get modern posts, shuffled
a bit as well. It appears that WayBack "links" sometimes...so the links are
"corrupted"?

Also some of my cached posts on Google have disappeared as well.

It is all very confusing!:( :confused:

[annelb]

No updates. Catching John with enough time to arrange this isn't as easy as I'd hope.

I'm supposed to talk with him tomorrow evening so I'll post another update if I get any new news.

Will be interested in hearing the latest. Thanks for your quick responses.

Anne

[j*sunset]

Thanks Mike!

[Mike Weins]

I never did talk with John, I was pretty sick and slept through most of Mon and Tues. Also slept through most of today.

So when I do get to talking to him I'll let you folks know.

[stillstANNding]

Mike, I hope ( and assume ) that you are better. What's the answer to are original archive question? We need them.

Thank you,
ANN

[Mike Weins]

John and I did discuss the archived database tuesday evening during our meeting. This weekend will be devoted to updating the forums software, adding the old chat graphics, removing the ones that can be triggers, and checking out a new "toy" that I hope to get him to install here :)

The updating takes priority over everything as there are security issues that need to be fixed.

Next tuesday providing the update goes well, we will discuss the archives in greater detail :)

[west1]

Dear Mike,

Your consideration of my original questions Additional Database Restoration Questions (http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/showthread.php?p=7831#post7831) within the thread Request for Periodic Updates (if possible) (http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=589) while developing plans regarding database restoration would be appreciated. I suppose if the process will consist of a straight restore implementing a “read only” database separate from the current forums, then some of my questions regarding “potential interaction problems” may no longer be applicable.

P.S.
Thank you for becoming an administrator. Your support over the years at BT (as well as at other sites) is greatly appreciated. :)

[stillstANNding]

Thank you, Mike, for your quick reply.
I appreciate the work:)
ANN

[Mike Weins]

Hi west1 :)

There won't be any interaction problems as the pre-crash database will be read only and seperate from the current forums.

There is no eta at this point in time. Other things need to be done prior *see my post here from yesterday*.

I believe I have been giving periodic updates (just not in that thread).

I've been leaving it open ended on purpose because I don't have any definate information yet.

[mrsdoubtfyre]

since you are in contact with JL...

There are OTHERS who are being "quoted" on ****/drug sites, data taken
from here. Not just me. I've been asking around. My next stop is Google.

Could you bring that up with JL too. Creative Common license infringements?

[Mike Weins]

The software update wasn't done over the last weekend. John is hoping to get it done during the holiday week.

Once the update is done more serious discussions will take place about getting the archives online.

Sorry for the delay.

[Mike Weins]

Now that the holidays are over....John is going to try to set some time aside to do the forum update and add the old chat graphics.

No news on the databases yet.

[j*sunset]

Just wondering.

[west1]

Any more news on the database?

[Mike Weins]

Any more news on the database?

Unfortunately no :( John hasn't made the last couple of meetings so we haven't discussed it since my last update :(

[Mike Weins]

Unfortunately there isn't anything new to report on getting the archives online. It's all up to John at this point all I can do is bring it up everytime I see him.

[glenntaj]

--that you at least see John from time to time. On some other boards/discussion groups, rumors sometimes surface that he has vanished to the four winds.

Perhaps the better question is--does he seem at all intetested in attempting a database recovery? Or, s he really all that interested in heavy involvement with Braintalk at all at this point?

[west1]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the update. Everyone is greatly appreciative for all you do and we understand there are limits to what you can do being 3000 miles away from the server. Do you think JL would agree to move the server from Boston to where you are (in CA)? I realize this would be a major undertaking, but the perception is that important tasks (such as restoring the archives) continue to be dependent on one person and that one person no longer has the time to provide support. This would of course mean additional responsibility for you as well, with server upkeep.

Thanks again for all you do. You have provided a great boost in support since becoming an administrator. :)

[j*sunset]

it seems you are up against a brick wall Mike. :confused:

[olsen]

any further updates about the archives? I also would find it VERY helpful to have the old posts to search. thanks, madelyn

[Mike Weins]

No news on the archives.

[annelb]

:(

Twice this week I searched for something in the Gluten Sensitivity/Celiac Disease forum only to realize what I wanted was in the old data.

Is there any hope?
Anne

[Pamster]

I bet it will be restored at some point this year, exactly when is anyone's guess though. John knows how important the archives are to people so I am sure he's just busy with other things at the moment. Hopefully we'll see a Archive board set up soon. Meaning in a couple of months, I hope. :)

[The Pogue]

Sounds to me like John wants to past to stay buried. Considering the pattern of harassment and abuse by the former leadership, who could blame him.