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Cry Tears
10-04-2006, 01:17 AM
Several years ago....2 to be exact...I was near death.
I was so fatigued I couldn't even sit in front of my computer.
My dear husband got a laptop for me so I could entertain myself while he worked in the next room.
I was unable to even do my own personal grooming and had someone come in several hours a day to help me when my husband was too busy with his work.
I spent the entire summer laying in bed only getting up to use the toilet, and when I did I didnt even have the energy to flush it!
I'd crawl back into bed, hubby would come in to fluff my pillows, give me fluids and try and meet my basic needs.
I had Peripheral Neuropathy from head to toe. My lips burned as if they were sunburned.
When I did walk my balance was so off I walked "drunk" hanging onto anything I could to keep from falling.
I did use a rolla-walker when I had medical appointments..thats if and when I kept them.
My husband drove me to them and I always went to them wearing my PJ's hair unbrushed, teeth unbrushed as well....I was that weak and fatigued!

I saw numerous Neurologist, gastro docs and even spent over $5,000+ out of pocket for a very saught after naturopath/chiropractor doctor who did every test possible, from fecal testing that cost $750 just to mention a few hokey pokey testing....She gave me accupuncture, massage, aroma therapy....(Aroma therapy??? A fart did more... than smelling daisys I was about to be pushing up!)
From Late October thru mid April I "drug" myself the 40 mile round trip twice a week to see this quack doctor who did nothing more than drain my wallet!

She promised I'd start feeling better soon once my body was rid of the intestinal "worms and parisites"that infested my colon. What is odd...all the colonoscopies I've had, and having Crohns disease I've had many...each time the pictures show a very clean pink colon.

I took the home brewed tinctures, formulas, Liver cleansers. I had numerous body adjustments....and anything you can think of to rack up charges!
Nothing she did helped and I only continued getting worse.

I was so confused, depressed and brainfogged. I was beginging to wonder if I was "cracking up", after all, the other tests doctors had order proved nothing was wrong other than my known illnesses such as the years (20+) of irritable bowel later diagnosed as Crohns, Fibromyalgia and now Periperal Neuropathy. T
hese diseases are bad enough, but nothing like I was feeling.



By early spring I was too fatigued to drive and my health really began to decline. I told my husband that I felt I wasn't going to live that much longer.
My spine began to hurt as well...I couldn't put my chin to my chest without it feeling as if I was being shocked.
It couldn't be much worse.

I was ready to give up. No one had any answeres nor did any of the medications offer any releif.
I even considered ending my life. I couldn't even cry! Why go one like this?
No one gave a rip about me...and I knew they thought it was all in my head, except those who'd known me during my 2+ years of an anemia nightmare when I suffered from an intestinal AVM (anuerism like mass) and bowel resections due to Crohns.

When I got the lap top I'd try and fumble through web sites that addressed Peripheral Neuropathy. A nerve conduction test and EMG proved I had a moderate sock glove pattern although my intestinal area and body was not tested....I'd had enough poking and zapping, what did I have to prove!

I wanted to know why I had this on top of all my other list of growing problems. I could hardly comprehend what I'd read, but I kept trudging through.
2 years ago, back in early September I found this web sight, Braintalk.org and made my first contact with Rose. She suggested I use Methylcobablim sublingual B12 by Jarrow. Dear hubby made the first purchase on Sept 3.
By Sept 10 my life began to take a dramatic turn. Wow!
My B12 level had been checked earlier that spring...it was 232...was told within normal range:eek: This was said/done by Oregon Health Science Neurology department under a very errogant resident. Stupid idiot!

I have nothing positive to say about ALL the specialist I saw desperaly seeking help. They failed me miserably. Shame on them.
Didn't they even think about my missing 3 feet of small instestines and having Crohns disease be a tiny clue that perhaps I may need some B12?
When ever I think about how I suffered, it angers me....I don't need this!

It's not been an easy road back. But I found out what was wrong by doing my own research along with the help of other knowledgable people here on BT. I can't run any marathons....but I probably could walk a few!:p

If you are having some of the symptoms listed for B12 deficiency...please do yourself a favor and take the advice here that's given freely.

And don't stop taking it thinking you are all better....and don't stop taking it thinking it's not helping. You never know!
It may take weeks, perhaps months for your body to start healing.

And while your body is making repairs you may feel worse. But keep in mind....you will get better some day if B12 deficeincy was part of your problem. It can't hurt you even if you take a boat load!
But make sure you get the proper kind. You don't need to get the painful and expensive injections....all you need is the sublingual Methyl B12.

Educate yourself as much as you can regarding this very important vitamin and share this information with anyone who'll listen.
Perhaps you may save someone from a lot of suffering.
I sure wish someone had told me before I became so ill.

You want to hear a real shocking aspect to all this?
I would ask each and every single doctor I saw if this could be related to a vitamin and or mineral deficiency due to my having intestinal surgery and over a 2 year bout with severe anemia, lowest hemaglobin being 5.1 hgb! Thats near dead! One doc told me when I went to the ER that I was having a panic attack and REFUSED to do a simple blood test. I passed out driving my car with grandkids in tow....a different doctor took a blood sample where they discovered I had some sort of either massive bleeding or Leuekemia! It took nearly 3 years to find the AVM.....was found only by accident.
Each time I'd ask about a deficiency of some kind, they were adamant I was not! How scary is this?
I do hope anyone reading this finds an answer.
I know I finally did!

Blessings to all, Cheryl

joy
10-04-2006, 03:45 AM
Hi Cheryl

Thanks for taking the time to post your story. No telling how many people Rose has helped! My mother and I both saw the same doctor. He did test for b12 and my mother was low. I now know how fortunate we were that he did do testing. She has since passed away but I know to continue taking the b12. I also have to take additional potassium, iron, calcium. I sometimes wonder why do I bother to eat, my body does not retain any vitamins or minerals it seem like. Except that I like to eat! I am going to ask my doctor on next visit if I have everything covered or is there anything else I need to add. You are so right about educating yourself.

That is one cute cat in your avatar. Is it yours or just a picture?

from joy

suse3349
10-04-2006, 09:30 AM
Hi Cheryl,
You've been through he** and then some, haven't you!
I started taking sublingual B12 a few months ago, and am amazed at the difference! I'm not sure if it's helping with my pain; I take Cymbalta for that. (My hot flashes are even gone!)
suse :)

jcc
10-04-2006, 12:39 PM
Here is a companion thread, with some additional responses :).

http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=296

Cara

razzle51
10-04-2006, 12:47 PM
Gee Cheryl good article but I HAD TO COME BACK AND READ 3 TIMES . So you really B12 is good for Nerve disorders . I take B6 That is what I was told to take.

dahlek
10-04-2006, 02:19 PM
I have dearly missed you all in this 'haven'.
Rose: Love the new 'fleur'! It looks fresh.
Cheryl: I've missed your wry sense of all that's gone on! - yes, we all have the pain, but, you have the mind to 'twist' it right! For all you've gone thru, I cannot help but get a SUPER smile at any of your posts...
Razzle: I myself had discovered [voiced thru posts on other boards] that my B-6 had been 'sneaking' up dangerously as a plus-add on-in other supplements I'd been taking. After quitting ALL, I'm now in the process of doing the 'eliminate, then add-on' step-by-step' thing...B-6 in and of it'self is useful, but quantities over X amount can aggravate neuropathies, which was my case. The CONCEPT that in an attempt to HELP myself, I HURT myself, is, well, beyond scary. And, as you all know, I'm super duper cautious...so I thought. The beauties of B-1 and B-12, is that of Vit C, any excess is simply passed out. With B-6 that is not the case.

Cheryl, I agree that B-12 is an amazing thing, but, we all have to watch what else is all in the stuff we take. Further.. You mean...Maybe I'm asking this again--that your docs NEVER TOLD YOU ABOUT certain problems you mite have/are/will encounter? IF NOT, well, can I suggest the medical equivalent of 'castration?-like they do to unwanted pets?' I mean, that is truly unconscionable!

Now, Anyone got any funny things to convey? Start a new thread and let's do totally SILLY! - hugs - j

boo
10-04-2006, 06:51 PM
you guys so much.This is where I get all of the info that my Drs. don't know about.Suse3349 I was just put on Cymbalta last Friday,do you like it? It kinda makes me a little queasy and tired.I take 30mgs twice a day,so far it works o.k,not great,but I haven't been on it that long. I was taking Lyrica and at first it worked great,but it gave me headaches and made me gain weight,so I switched meds.let me know how well it works.Boo

darlindeb
10-05-2006, 07:19 AM
My doctor tells me my B12 is well within normal range--he doesn't understand that I take 2400mcg daily just to keep it in a normal range. My neuropathy is slowly getting worse, but at least it is a slow process for me.

Any of you with bowel problems and such should also check out gluten intolerance--my neuropathy is a direct effect of my celiac's disease.

I'm so happy for you Cheryl and yes, Rose is a godsend.

Deb

rose
10-05-2006, 10:36 PM
I haven't been neglecting the board, but for some frustrating reason it allows me to log in sometimes, and sometimes not. Sometimes I get on after several log-in attempts.

Can't duplicate my long story here now, but for a very short version: strength, coordination, stamina, vision, mood and intelligence, and way too many other things to mention were affected. I was months from death when I got to a neurologist who knew enough to diagnose me with B12 deficiency.

I thought my experience was unusual and the medical people I had seen exceptionally bad. But I learned after much study that ignorance surrounding this issue is pretty much the norm. That is why I have been pounding away at it for years.

:) rose

snowmelts
10-08-2006, 12:48 AM
I tried the sublingual pills for awhile but didn't notice any real diff except maybe my eyes were less dry at the time.
But, thanks to Rose, there is noone on this board that takes the B-12 concept lightly.

So.. in May I asked my PCP if I could begin monthly B-12 shots.
My blood work did not show low B-12 but when I asked the PCP said the shots won't hurt me if I want them and will pay for them I can have them.
So I have been taking them. Once a month. I have had 5 so far ( and a general daily B-Complex suppliment too of course)

:) My 2 toes got divoriced! I can now seperate my pinkie toe, moving it sideways from the toe next to it :)
I've been trying to do that for years.. trying hard and only could just barely make the second toe move sideways a little. The pinkie remained dead meat. BUT they defiantly seperate a lot now and I can feel that muscle exertion from working that pinkie toe all the way along the side of the foot up through my heel when I do it. No more dead pinkie!

For some crazy reason I also became suddenly aware of my lips after my first shot. I've always had dry peelie lips if I wore lipstick so I rarely did. Now my lips felt moist, soft.. yes I put on lipstick and no peeling occurred.

:p Young feeling lips and divoriced toes!:p

I am also just barely beginning to see those white half moon areas on my fingernails reappear. They had disappeared from a couple fingers but it looks like they are coming back..very slowly but surely.
I have very deeply badly ridged finger nails on all my fingers. One finger nail (pinky finger) had one of those ridges that look weird, more like a thin line candle wax dripped and ran down it in a bumpy manner but that one bad ridge actually looks better too. The rest of the ridges look the same.

Is it the B-12 shots?
I don't know.
But I am continueing the shots for sure.

I have other medical problems going this year and I am tired of Dr's for sure, but I am voluntarily going and dutifully getting this shot once a month anyway.

rose
10-08-2006, 05:55 PM
It may be that you are rare and the shots are better for you, but I think it is more likely that it was coincidental. But just in case you can benefit more from a larger dose at a time, how about upping your oral dose too?

As far as the fingernails go, lack of (or presence of) moons and/or ridges does not mean that a person has too little or enough B12. However, getting the B12 one needs affects general health too, and it sounds like the fingernail appearance is one indication of that for you.

Slowly, and sporadically, that is how things improve that have not improved dramatically within days, weeks, or a few months.

rose

Traveler
10-08-2006, 09:52 PM
Hi, all, glad to hear from you again,

Last week I attended a local Parkinson's Disease seminar. I picked up a book there that mentions a website www.consumerlabs.com that tests many dietary supplements and herbal medications for purity and potency. There is a fee to become a member but before I do that I thought perhaps other BT members might have some experience with this business and be able to advise me. It occurred to me that perhaps the oral B12 taken by the writer above was not up to par and perhaps this is why she didn't respond to it. This business very likely has done testing on specific brands of oral B12 and the results would be available to members. Does anyone know if this is so?

Thanks in advance.

Traveler

rose
10-09-2006, 01:15 AM
However, it is definitely worthwhile to look at the brand, dose, and length of time the oral B12 has been taken. In addition to the lab, there are some that over the years we have confirmed with improvement and lab results work well.

But: "awhile but didn't notice any real diff except maybe my eyes were less dry at the time." It is very common for the body to work on things for a while, sometimes a very long while, before the improvement becomes apparent. And, sometimes things change so slowly that we don't even realize it until we remember a specific time and what something was like. Notes on a calendar can be invaluable.

If I were you, I would do both. Certainly can't hurt.

rose

snowmelts
10-09-2006, 01:23 AM
Yes, Rose, I agree the divoriced toes could simply be coincidental.:)
The same week I began the B-12 shots I also began seeing a chiropractor.
They told me ages and ages ago that no nerve is entrapped or anything and there are dozens of diff mri's and ct scans and Xrays to prove that they are right about that point.

The chiro has been a fantastic help to the pain from the spine bending due to my arthritis and osteoporosis (however its spelled).
I'm had 36 sessions since May
My reoccuring VERY painful Hip Bursitis is gone thanks to him.:)
But you never know, he may also have helped my toes get divoriced.

Maybe the toes just decided it was time for a no-fault divorce and just did it but...
I am continuing the B-12 shots and the Chiro.
I know both are helping me in one way another.

But I also have exzema now (on my eylelids of all places) and the dermotoligist gave me a perscription that I had some very sad side effects from last week..and on top of that the landlord decided to paint the exterior of the apt complex without warning me..those fumes swell my inner ears because of an allergy ..
So it's been a totally rotten week physically.
This coming week will be spent getting a handel on those 2 immediate problems...
and the Chiro too.

No B-12 shot this week is scheduled so far but, you're right, I might just start the sublingual pills again too ..maybe at the date of the next shot so I can keep track of progress situations.

rose
10-10-2006, 10:15 PM
Yup. I betcha it is a combination of things, the chiropractor plus your slow improvement.

Good luck,

rose