stuck in Peru with neuropathy in face ?

[drg]

I am currently in Peru but I have have had bad experince to say the least..

I got injected in I what Im lead to believe in the artery in my knuckle ( 3 and 4 th ) with Eugenol / Clove Oil and as result it has started flaring up my pn in bad way , worst since I managed to calm it some years ago i.e coffee foods are starting to flare it up.

Now as I said I am in Peru and I hav seen 2 doctors about this both who had no answers other than anti inflamamtories to cure the problems .. ( hand fingers tips are numb / bluish) though rest of hand is fine apart from burns marks in area injected..

Yesterday however worried because things were showing little improvement and at the advice of doctor I took some vascodilation tabelts ( Atenolol ) Norpramin - brand name to try to see if I could get the blood moving into the finger tips..

Instead though its moved the pn sensation into my face and now it seems to be staying there and getting worse .

Although I admit its only day I am on panic stations as I have lot of health problems as it is to deal with..

The only saving grace I can find is that it might well be something to do with artries given what the doctor said and the fact the areas its affecting correspond to where they are ( i get some in arms and neck too )..

But because I its spread I dont know whether promoting circulation is good idea if I already have something in me thats going to cause damage as it spreads..

Suffice to say I really dont have ot of money as Ive already been seeking treatment in US Before I came down to peru to try ayahuasca to see if it could help ( and got scammed instead )..

In short I am in terrible mess here and just about ready to go but if any one could throw me some advice id really appreciate it.

thanks

drg

[nide44]

I don't mean to sound flip, but get back to the USA asap.
I can't see how a 'circulatory' medicine could have a neuropathy
'spread' to another area.
Circulation problems can cause numbness and can sperad thru the body,
but its not the same as 'neuropathy'.
The discoloration of the extremeties and the 'travelling' to the face tend to have me think its circulatory. Having had neuropathy problems before, makes me want to have you get to see a good doc- here in the states. Lord knows what treatment or meds you've been getting in Peru, and you state that you've been scammed as well.(Run, don't walk to your nearest airport, & airline boarding ramp.)
Get back here ASAP !

[mrsdoubtfyre]

I am confused by this post.

Atenolol is a betablocker, which reduces blood pressure, but NOT a vasodilator.
It's brand name is Tenormin.

Norpramin is the brand name for desipramine..a tricyclic antidepressant.

So who told you these things, that your posted? The doctor? The chemist?

Typically vasodilation is done with the following drugs:
hydralazine
calcium channel blockers..specifically Diltiazem (Brand Cardizem). But in
a foreign country, the name may be different.

It is also not clear what is wrong with you... your other health concerns.

So I find your post very confusing.. If you can clarify it a bit, some of us may be able to help you.

[drg]

I am confused by this post.

Atenolol is a betablocker, which reduces blood pressure, but NOT a vasodilator.
It's brand name is Tenormin.

Norpramin is the brand name for desipramine..a tricyclic antidepressant.

So who told you these things, that your posted? The doctor? The chemist?

Typically vasodilation is done with the following drugs:
hydralazine
calcium channel blockers..specifically Diltiazem (Brand Cardizem). But in
a foreign country, the name may be different.

It is also not clear what is wrong with you... your other health concerns.

So I find your post very confusing.. If you can clarify it a bit, some of us may be able to help you.

I took atenolol after looking for vasodilators ..
the doctor i saw told me to try and promote it by running it under warm water so i thought it would help to take something..
I got anxious about my hand and took more though 300 mg ( 3 tabs )
and thats when that prickly sensation thats still hasnt left appeared..

From what i gather it looks like i got the injection the artery as i am only numb at the fingertips and now it turned black they say its probably permanent..

I have tried a lot and it has helped but its not shifting and the cold weather here in Wisconsin is making it far worse..

Tomorrow I was thinking of getting some red clove to try and help unglog the arteries ... Im not sure what else to do as the doctor I saw here in the UW hospital was useless..

It may be that this aggrevation in arteries i feel is what I mistook for neuropathy , I dont know.. Ive had the neurpathy like symptoms since 99 but managed to help them through recommendations here by yourself and others ..

I feel I should really get a blood test regardless of damage thats already done I am worried this is going to get worse becaus its still inside me .

thank again

drg

[nide44]

"I have tried a lot and it has helped but its not shifting and the cold weather here in Wisconsin is making it far worse.."

Didn't you say you were in Peru?
Why did you go to Peru, originally?

"I am currently in Peru but I have have had bad experince to say the least........Now as I said I am in Peru and I hav seen 2 doctors ........."

I'm confused. If you are here in the states, where have you gone to get a Dx ? Are you an American, or a visiting Peruvian?

"........as i am only numb at the fingertips and now it turned black they say its probably permanent.."

Who is the 'they' in your statement "they say .....probably permanent?" Docs in Peru, the states ?
What is happening with your face, now that you're back in the states?
Do you still have PN-like symptoms in your face?

......feel I should really get a blood test regardless of damage thats already done I am worried........

Yes, that's probably a good idea- and while you are at it- other blood tests from liza jane's charts - www.lizajane.com (to check for PN) and an EMG and nerve velocity conduction on your 'black hand' as well. Without the tests (and results), everything is just conjecture and guess-work

[drg]

"I have tried a lot and it has helped but its not shifting and the cold weather here in Wisconsin is making it far worse.."

Didn't you say you were in Peru?
Why did you go to Peru, originally?

to get better ironically.. instead i got x2 more problems

"I am currently in Peru but I have have had bad experince to say the least........Now as I said I am in Peru and I hav seen 2 doctors ........."

I'm confused. If you are here in the states, where have you gone to get a Dx ? Are you an American, or a visiting Peruvian?

I went to a Neurologist there and emergency at the University hospital here in Madison, Wi - both were useless

"........as i am only numb at the fingertips and now it turned black they say its probably permanent.."

The doctor I saw at UW

Who is the 'they' in your statement "they say .....probably permanent?" Docs in Peru, the states ?
What is happening with your face, now that you're back in the states?
Do you still have PN-like symptoms in your face?

Just the states
The other symptoms seem to be getting worse more consistent.. burning in legs and itchiness all round

......feel I should really get a blood test regardless of damage thats already done I am worried........

Yes, that's probably a good idea- and while you are at it- other blood tests from liza jane's charts - www.lizajane.com (to check for PN) and an EMG and nerve velocity conduction on your 'black hand' as well. Without the tests (and results), everything is just conjecture and guess-work

Sigh I might go do that , I am worried about expense but equally worried that if i dont go do something this is just going to get worse.. I havent even seen the bill for just the check up .. I had which included no tests..

[mrsdoubtfyre]

Peru, Wisconsin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peru,_Wisconsin

[Silverlady]

It makes sense now. I thought he was in the country of Peru instead of the USA. But he was in the town of Peru in Wisconsin. Makes more sense now.

Billye

[nide44]

I think we've been had

[Silverlady]

Perhaps the poster is an elderly person who is confused.

Not sure.

Billye

[drg]

No, I was in Peru the country when this happened..

I saw a Neurologist there then I came back to the US where I still am untill I return home.

I went to UW hospital here.

So far I am slowly getting some feeling back in my fingers thanks to 8 - 3 hours of daily manipulation using my own means..

I started taking niacin yesterday thinking it might help but it only seems to promote this crawling feeling .

Before that I tried some herabl forumla that was specifically desinged for removing poisons though it tasted so bad it gave up on it.

Also tried a detox using Edgar cayce reciped but never gain ( epson salts, lemon and castor oil )

Someone I know thinks Diyalisis (sp?) would be good idea so Im looking into it.. the idea of trying to purify the blood sounds alright given the Eugenol was / is oil based.

[nide44]

No, I was in Peru the country when this happened..

I saw a Neurologist there then I came back to the US where I still am untill I return home.................I started taking niacin yesterday thinking it might help but it only seems to promote this crawling feeling .
Also tried a detox using Edgar cayce recipe ................


".......still am until I return home......" ??

Billye....... I am an elderly person, but wasn't confused until now.........(this post)....!!

where in the world is home? I still don't know!

drg,
The niacin 'crawling' is 'niacin flush'- comes when large doses are put into the body. Druggies used to think that a massive niacin dose would give them a 'clean' test when it was mandatory in the workplace. IMHO, it isn't good to do that.

Anyone detoxing with any Cayce recipe is reading the wrong books IMHO.

I'd suggest the Mayo Clinic, or Johns Hopkins ASAP to determine the proper treatment for such symptoms. Money should not an issue when the possibility of circulation impairment and loss of fingers, or worse - may be iminent.
(I think I've had enough of this thread)

[drg]

Money is an issue if you dont have it.. or rather have to use it to cure a million other things ..

Its not just Niacin thats causing this crawling though .. coffee, red clover which I just tried today as well..

It seems to get a **** of a lot worse at night too though its not great just now..

As it stands I just too out travel insurance which I am goign to try and use to treat this but it wont be in any high class place like you mentioned..

any other suggetions would be apprecaited

sigh

[vette]

[QUOTE=drg;13500]I got injected in I what Im lead to believe in the artery in my knuckle ( 3 and 4 th ) with Eugenol / Clove Oil and as result it has started flaring up my pn in bad way , worst since I managed to calm it some years ago i.e coffee foods are starting to flare it up.

What on ~EARTH~ are you doing getting CLOVE oil injected ANYWHERE, never mind an artery?!?!?!

PLEASE excuse my ignorance if this is an accepted treatment for pn, i was just nosing round the site and linked here from another persons post!

I'm a qualified Holistic Therapist and I would NEVER even THINK about putting clove oil directly onto someones skin, let alone injecting it into their artery!!!!

Is this some kind of "alternative" treatment gone crazy or what? I can't imagine it's a legitimate treatment, tho' i'll happily bow & apologise to superior knowledge if it is.

I have to say that when i read in the post about about your fingers going numb & blue, i thought "the beginning of necrosis, but hardly surprising, Clove BURNS..." i'd be rather surprised if you don't lose your hand. I SINCERELY hope that i'm wrong in this, and i wish you all the best, but heck, if you're going to do the alternative, go by recomendation!

You say you have a "million" other problems, what other health issues do you have? Are there things that could have caused any of the other symptoms?

Be well,

'Vette