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Suzanne*Canada
11-05-2007, 09:41 AM
ROTTERDAM, Netherlands, Oct. 31 -- Incidental brain findings on MRI may be common once people hit middle age, although it is unclear what clinicians should do about such findings, researchers said. Action Points
<LI class=app>Explain to interested patients that this study suggests that incidental findings with brain MRI appear to be common even in otherwise healthy adults.

Caution patients that certain incidental findings, such as small aneurysms, may pose little risk for adverse outcomes and do not always require treatment or further follow-up.
MRI showed asymptomatic strokes in 7.2% of the general population in Rotterdam, according to a population-based study published in the Nov. 1 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.

The prevalence of incidentally discovered cerebral aneurysms was 1.8% and for benign tumors it was 1.6%, reported Aad van der Lugt, M.D., of Erasmus MC University Medical Center here, and colleagues.

Overall, the results suggest that one in every 7.3 asymptomatic persons scanned will have an incidental finding, commented Adrian A. Jarquin-Valdivia, M.D., R.D.M.S., of Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tenn., a spokesperson for the American Academy of Neurology, in an interview with MedPage Today.

Although these lesions are associated with an increased risk of adverse neurological events, "the clinical relevance and natural course of these unexpected asymptomatic findings are largely unknown," the researchers wrote.

Dr. van der Lugt's group analyzed incidental MRI findings in the Rotterdam Scan Study, which was designed to investigate age-related brain changes. It was embedded within the larger prospective, population-based Rotterdam Study.

The analysis included 2,000 participants ages 45 to 96 (mean 63.3), of whom 52.4% were women. The patients were continuously monitored for incident clinical stroke through a linked database with general practitioners and hospitals.

Overall, there were 272 incidental findings reported. The most common type was asymptomatic stroke (145 cases, 7.2%). Lacunar infarcts were more common than cortical infarcts (5.6% versus 2%).

Aneurysms were next most frequent at 1.8%. All but two of the 35 aneurysms were located in the anterior circulation, and only three were larger than 7 mm in diameter.

Benign tumors were a close runner-up with a rate of 1.6%. Meningiomas were most common (0.9%) and ranged in size from five to 60 mm in diameter.

MRI detected one possibly malignant primary brain tumor -- a low-grade glioma -- and one case of multiple cerebral metastases in a patient who had previously been treated for lung cancer.

The most urgent finding was a large, chronic subdural hematoma in a patient who was discovered to have had minor head trauma a month prior to the scan, the researchers said.

Other findings included:


Seven cases of cavernous angioma (0.4% prevalence)
22 cases of arachnoid cyst (1.1% prevalence)
18 type I Chiari malformations (0.9% prevalence)
Nine cases of major-vessel stenosis (0.5% prevalence)
One dermoid cyst of the lateral orbital rim (less than 0.1% prevalence)
One case of fibrous dysplasia (less than 0.1% prevalence)
White-matter lesions were found in all but 5.4% of participants ages 45 to 59 and all but 2% of those 75 and older. The prevalence of asymptomatic aneurysms and meningiomas increased with age as well.

Subclinical vascular pathologic changes have been linked to increased risk of stroke and cognitive decline, but preventive therapies have not been evaluated in randomized trials, they noted.

"Then the question becomes, is it worth knowing early?" Dr. Jarquin-Valdivia said.

For typically slow-growing, asymptomatic meningiomas, "the current practice of many clinicians is to perform MRI yearly for at least two to three years to ascertain that rapid tumor growth does not occur," Dr. van der Lugt and colleagues noted.

For otherwise healthy, asymptomatic adults, as in the study, the resulting medical costs and psychological burden suggest this practice may need to be reviewed, they said.

Risk of rupture for the small aneurysms found in the study is low and "preventive surgery or treatment of risk factors may thus not be indicated in the general population," the researchers added.

However, the story may be different for patients with subclinical strokes, Dr. Jarquin-Valdivia said.

Although it is not well known whether treating subclinical strokes would prevent future strokes, the findings from the Perindopril Protection Against Recurrent Stroke Study (PROGRESS) showed that treating patients with symptomatic cerebrovascular disease with a combination of an ACE inhibitor and indapamide (Lozol) could prevent recurrent strokes (number-needed-to-treat 11).

If this were true for the asymptomatic patients in the Rotterdam study as well, "we could potentially have prevented 13 new symptomatic strokes over the course of one year," Dr. Jarquin-Valdivia concluded. "That may be worthwhile."


The study was supported by the Erasmus MC University Medical Center and Erasmus University Rotterdam; the Netherlands Organization for Scientific Research; the Netherlands Organization for Health Research and Development; the Research Institute for Diseases in the Elderly; the Ministry of Education, Culture, and Science; the Ministry of Health, Welfare, and Sports; the European Commission; the Municipality of Rotterdam; and by grants from the Netherlands Organization for Scientific Research.
The researchers reported no potential conflict of interest. Dr. Jarquin-Valdivia reported no conflicts of interest.


Primary source: New England Journal of Medicine

TitaniumCranium
11-05-2007, 10:57 AM
Thanks Suz. And just in case they want my answer to the importance of early detection of healthy , asymtomatic individual .... YES .... my aneurysm was detected during a sinus CT ..... (had sinus problems entire life) , sent for ER MRI , DX 2cm MCA ! Life out weighs money!

OK , had my say. Feel better. :D

Hugs,

Lori (T.C.)

Gabrielli
11-05-2007, 11:48 AM
I had a MRI,MRA and angio in 1985 because of headaches that came on fast,loss of balance. I lived in Vancouver,Wash at the time and doctor put me in the hosp the day he saw me thinking I had a leaking "Annie"...nothing was found!!! Now 2004 because of new symptoms loss of feeling in legs being one,they find two"Annie's" I remember hearing my doctor say most people that have these are born with them....I wasn't born with these and they weren't there in 1985. Thanks for posting this Suzanne...makes ya go hmmmmmm!
ooxx
mimi

NHDebbie
11-05-2007, 12:29 PM
From an earlier post 11/1:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=3802482&page=1

Suzanne*Canada
11-05-2007, 12:38 PM
Lori and Mimi count me in... I would rather be one of those 'incidental findings' people thanks!;)

Suzanne

Gabrielli
11-05-2007, 02:08 PM
Suzanne & Lori
It sure helps when you have a doctor on the ball! My doctor in 2004 could have said "you have the flu" and sent me home...he was listening to me.

ooxx
mimi

goldie411
11-05-2007, 02:41 PM
thanks for the article Suzanne, take care Cindy

pamuk
11-05-2007, 05:12 PM
Thanks Suzanne for posting this interesting information. I will always be grateful for the incidental findings of my MRI to check on my facial nerve -
7 annies!!! how lucky was I too find out so I could get them treated. Finding out I had multiple annies (at a time when I didnt even know what the world aneurysm meant) and when they were not even suspected was the biggest shock of my life, but I wouldnt have had it any other way, better to know than not know - knowledge is power.

Thanks again

pam from england

Lyn
11-05-2007, 08:08 PM
I was an incidental finding as well - routine MRI for MS check, they did an MRA (no idea why - unless they saw something on MRI) and bingo there it was!

Glad they found it before it found me.

snapdragon
11-05-2007, 08:21 PM
Mine was an incidental finding as well ,I was hospitalized for MS type symptoms & had an MRI that found an aneurysm , said not to be the cause of my symptoms as the symptoms effected the right side & the annie was on the right side . :confused: Glad it was found ,as for the MS I am still MS?

JulieNH
11-05-2007, 09:15 PM
Great article Suzanne, thanks for posting it.
JulieNH

tink
11-05-2007, 09:21 PM
Hi Suz! Great article. I wish I was one of those incidental findings people. You are awfully fortunate if you can be one of those people. I would have been sort of, but the ER doctor wouldn't listen to me or my mom and diagnosed me with a migraine even though I told him I had never had a migraine in my life. The rest, as they say is history. Thank God Mimi, you had a doctor that listened! I really did enjoy the article. Thanks. Take care.

Love,
Lori

Gabrielli
11-06-2007, 12:19 AM
Snap....didn't know you had MS too?? I know we talked about having the same symptoms a few years back and you were talking about more test for this...so it was MS!

ooxx
mimi

Gabrielli
11-06-2007, 12:29 AM
Thanks Suzanne for posting this interesting information. I will always be grateful for the incidental findings of my MRI to check on my facial nerve -
7 annies!!! how lucky was I too find out so I could get them treated. Finding out I had multiple annies (at a time when I didnt even know what the world aneurysm meant) and when they were not even suspected was the biggest shock of my life, but I wouldnt have had it any other way, better to know than not know - knowledge is power.

Thanks again

pam from england


Pam
We are so lucky to have you with us my friend....

Lyn

My MRI/MRA was done looking for MS ...we were lucky too.If I didn't have the numbing in my legs and slurred speech even thou my doctor sent me to a neurologist questioning MS I wonder if any test would have been ordered.

ooxx
mimi

heartland
11-06-2007, 12:35 AM
Great article, Suzanne! Thanks for sharing, as always!!

Count me in on the incidental findings group. Had an MRI/MRA to rule out MS and found the 8mm right ICA annie... this after having EMG's, CT of the lumbar and cervical spine, etc and so on. Bless my neurologist!

Lisa

snapdragon
11-06-2007, 01:23 PM
Snap....didn't know you had MS too?? I know we talked about having the same symptoms a few years back and you were talking about more test for this...so it was MS!

ooxx
mimi

Mimi The nerologests still can not firmly Dx MS but due to lesions & continued symptoms they can not rule it out .I do have a firm DX of MCS , Multiable Chemical senesativety ,that is very extream and would not be able to take any of the drugs for MS so it is best if my MS symptoms do not get to the point that a firm DX has to be made , my Dr. agrees with me it would be of no good to make a firm MS Dx at this time ,if I were able to take the drugs ,well that would be a reason to pursue it ,but for now things are holding their own ,and for that i am thankful .so MS? is what they call it , and that is ok with me i just hope it stays that way .

Kim/ny
11-06-2007, 01:35 PM
Debbie, Thought you had posted this on BAF already, thanks for reminding us we are not losing our mind!! :D Kim

NHDebbie
11-06-2007, 02:22 PM
LOL, No you didn't Kim...it's all drama.

Chris B
11-06-2007, 08:36 PM
Incidental here too :-)

Gabrielli
11-07-2007, 11:55 AM
Debbie, Thought you had posted this on BAF already, thanks for reminding us we are not losing our mind!! :D Kim

Kim & NHDebbie

Many people are new to this site,many don't get to read all the Threads/Post... If another site posted this article we haven't read it.
So please no Drama about this....Thank you

ooxx
mimi

Kim/ny
11-07-2007, 02:20 PM
Mimi, I was referring to THIS site, was posted on here by Debbie a week ago, if you go back and re-read my post it says just that. It's really not a big deal, suggestion though to those at BrainTalk... if members find an article that is interesting to them (and it is quite long), post just the LINK and not the whole article...becomes tiring to have to scan the whole thing to read others replies..just a thought . .. There's no drama here Mimi, sorry you feel that way. Thank you, Kim

Gabrielli
11-07-2007, 03:59 PM
As I said some people don't read or just miss threads/post and I must have missed that one. Some people also have a hard time with links and reading them here it so much better. If you reread what I wrote I was referring to a member saying "It's all Drama" because I'm not sure what that has to do with this article ??? Hugs no hard feelings my dear.:)
ooxx
mimi

kim
11-10-2007, 08:24 PM
I prefer the link as I get overwhelmed when I see a page of long information posting and want to first read short posts; Then I dont know where it was ;; I write down the link or the page I guess Im not as swift as some others here ; I seem to have slower days Thanks

Chris B
11-10-2007, 08:29 PM
I think most people would rather know if they had something wrong with them.....I was thinking the other day we look after our cars better than ourselves. I know CT scans are costly, but I think it would be great if everyone could get one as part of a physical exam, maybe every 10 years or so due to the cost. Maybe that could be a reality in the future :-)
Chris B