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Kira
10-24-2007, 10:41 PM
I saw my pain doc today and had a couple of major things to deal with.

I've had pretty poor pain control lately and have been maxed out on my breakthrough meds on most days, so I finally let her increase my fentanyl patch dose after four months of saying no. We will see if that helps.

I also told her that I have been really sleepy and foggy and out of it lately, which I think is probably from the mito and the infection/fever I just had, but it is hard to sort out what is from the mito and what is from meds. I was on Provigil last spring, but stopped it when I was having trouble with anxiety in case it was contributing. Well, we decided to give the Provigil another try. I need to do something to help me function & go to school/work, so hopefully this will help me wake up a bit.

Then we talked about my walking and how the left leg stuff seems to be more neurological than myopathic. Well, sort of... I have weakness in both legs in the proximal muscles which probably IS myopathic, from progression of my mito. That sucks, but I've known about the myopathy for a couple of years now, so it's not like it's unexpected or surprising. But I also have some funky stuff going on in my left leg that looks more neurological, like upper motor neuron stuff (also probably from my mito, but from effects on my CNS, which is freaky). Really tight left calf (though both are tight), tight left hamstrings, left foot turning in & tight adductors, tripping over left toes not because of foot drop but because of the tight calf, and just plain walking funny. I have had a positive Babinski sign on that side off and on for several years now, but lately it is staying positive all the time. Plus ankle clonus, bilateral positive Hoffman reflexes and hyperreflexia throughout.

So we talked about the spasmy stuff and what to do (if anything). She knows that the Flexeril and others didn't work in the past, and that I've found that a pleasant side effect of Klonopin is decreased spasms. I take the Klonopin prn for anxiety. She also knows that I don't want to take the Klonopin any more than I have to because I don't want yet another drug that I'm tolerant to/dependent on, and because I want it to work when I need it for the mood stuff. So, with all of that in mind, she brought up Baclofen, since it works on GABA, too. I don't want to do it yet because it can make you sleepy & have cognitive side effects, which is the last thing I want right now while trying to give work/school a last-ditch effort to not have to quit. So she put it in her note and we will talk about it next month after we see how the Provigil and patch increase work. She said to call if things change or get worse before my next appointment and I can either come in sooner or we can start the Baclofen. We also talked briefly about other options for spasticity for down the line, like Botox and stuff, but I'm not there yet.

So, basically, we fixed my patch dose so I will hopefully need less of the oxy... we added back the Provigil to see if I can wake up... and she confirmed what I was thinking about "damn, this is neuro stuff, not just my muscles" and also made me realize that the spasms have got to be getting pretty obvious if she's pushing for Baclofen.

I have mixed feelings about today because she did offer helpful stuff... she was good about the pain med doses and the Provigil might help. But I hate that this neuro stuff and disease progression is happening... it freaks me out... and so while it was validating for her to agree with me about it after examining me, it was also just more evidence that things are getting worse, which sucks.

Mark N
10-25-2007, 01:47 AM
Kira, it sounds like you had a good visit with the PM today and I hope the changes helps you get the pain under control and clears up the grogginess. It is nice to have the doctor validate what is going on but yes I understand how it sucks to know the progressive part of your disease. It is hard to deny it or put it in the back of your mind when the doctor is talking about how to control the increased problems.

Kathi49
10-25-2007, 07:59 AM
Kira,

Your post was interesting and I am sorry you are having to contend with so much. I just wanted to say the "neuro stuff" sucks...I agree...let alone the other things you have to deal with. I hope some of the adjustments or inclusions of the other meds help you. Let us know how the Baclofen works. My Neurologist mentioned that one too but I went with Zanaflex instead (big mistake I think). I do agree though...it is difficult to sort out what might be causing what.

Mark N
10-26-2007, 05:53 AM
Kira, I was wondering how you are feeling today. Have you started with the new med and increased dosage, how have you been doing with the new med? I hope you have better pain control and not feeling so groggy.

illusion129
10-26-2007, 08:20 AM
Good to hear that you had a wonderful appointment with your PM doctor! It's always good news to hear someone say they had a good experience with their doctor(s) and that the physician has addressed all issues and really shown to be an advocate for your health.

As far as increasing the pain medications, remember this. There is no real 'upper limit' to most if not all pain medications as long as you can tolerate the dose and side effects. Even though you're on strong stuff, you can still receive more of it. I'm young too, hon, so I often worry about that stuff; what if in 10 years this won't help me? Or, what if I am not able to take this after so long and I end up with nothing to help? There is most usually always something to go over top of the other (ex. a Medtronic pain pump).

When I started pain management I quickly (well, a month of titration) went up to 100mg of Morphine twice a day. Now that's a lot, but I tolerated the drug very well and it helped my pain more and more. It's been almost 2 years at that same dose (plus 4 Oxy 5mg capsules a day for B/T pain) but I'm heavily considering asking for an increase in my LA medication. I've taken all 4 of the extra B/T capsules a day for the whole duration, so you could say my LA dose 'should' be higher anyway, especially since the B/T drug only helped my additional pain at the beginning. Perhaps throwing another 100mg into the day would help out a bit, I think I'll ask about switching from BID to TID dosing.

By the way, how in the H*LL did you get your insurance company to cover Provigil? I've got good insurance, don't get me wrong, I only B!TCH about it because I have a high deductible. Example: My prescription coverage is a $100 deductible, after that I only pay 20% of the cost (no co-pays here). But health-care wise, I have to pay $2500 (!) out of pocket before my "20% share" kicks in. It's killer sometimes, especially when I have to have a lot of testing done (last year I had 2 MRIs, a spinal tap, and an EP test). My Rheumatologist prescribed Provigil for my fatigue through the day (so I could half way function) yet my insurance denied coverage, and I've NEVER seen them do that before with any drug. Coverage was denied because I didn't have Narcolepsy OR Shift Worker's SD. Stupid FDA! I'm going to ask for Amantadine (anti-viral shown to reduce fatigue in MS patients - and my illness resembles MS) OR another stimulant ADHD-type drug. I just want to "test" it to see if it helps or not; I wouldn't want it every day anyway because there are some days I would rather sleep a lot.

This year has been expensive too; just had a sleep study done ($1350 in KY!) about a month ago. In my opinion, unless you have sleep apnea don't go for one. You can tell yourself when you're not hitting REM sleep (you'll literally be 'awake' when you wake from "sleeping"). It was disturbing too because you're not sleeping in your own bed. Too, you've got enough wires on you to pick up HBO! It was seriously no picnic. Plus having to wake up at 6AM :eek: (I usually get up around 11am) and drive all the way home (60+ miles)...I was not a happy camper that day!

OK, sorry to seemingly hijack the thread...just wanted to shout at ya and see what was up and say hello! ;)

Edit: I forgot to mention anything about the muscle relaxers. I've taken old school Skelaxin before and it didn't do much at all. Flexeril was the latest I've taken (a while back) and it didn't seem to do much either, it didn't really help with spasms much and it didn't make me drowsy at all. I've heard Baclofen is GREAT for people with MS who have muscle spasms so you might wanna try it out, especially since your problem is Neuro "stuff". I agree too, Neuro "stuff" SUCKS!