Stem Cells for Autism?

[Pamster]

Youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlSaXCzLW6w

Still watching it...

[Pamster]

watched it and found it very interesting...regardless of why a child is autistic, maybe this therapy/treatment could help restore proper (I just don't know how else to say it, please don't flame me over this post, I just found this information and decided it was worth posting about) brain functioning. I am reading on their website now:

http://www.cellmedicine.com/autism.asp

[Pamster]

In another video the man said that embroyoinic stem cells CAUSE CANCER! ANyone heard of that before? :eek:

[Kristen (ColeysMom)]

Can you post the link for that video? I've never heard anything like that before.

That was a REALLY interesting presentation!

ANyone up for a vacation to costa rica...they're currently accepting applicants...

Why aren't they doing research like that here?

[Pamster]

I don't know but jeez louise they should be! :eek: The one video I had was this one where it talked about cord blood:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6CP-OL1Kuc

And this one about an autistic child who had treatment and video of her afterwards! :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIgDUfjWAM4&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdeI9ZYkvIg

[Pamster]

Patricia vs Autism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWP_eYhmel0&mode=related&search=)

Patricia vs Autism pt 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSwEj6fbq3Q&mode=related&search=)

Patricia vs Autism pt 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9bT1GOvzm4&mode=related&search=)

[Kristen (ColeysMom)]

oh crikie...this is just what I needed today...

I mean true colors makes me cry even when I'm not watching a liitle girl win her battle with autism...holy crap...I need a smoke now!

Thanks for posting!!!!

oh forgot to mention, after we learned I was preggers w/ Audrey, we were sent to a geneticist because...she urged us to store Audreys blood & we did. Coley will have a 75% chance of matching it...should I send these links to her???

[Pamster]

WOW! You stored your cord blood! Yeah for you! It was like a couple hundred dollars and we didn't have it at the time but I so wish we had...it would have been so good to have frozen for just such a purpose. If they can use gene therapy to help our kids I am all for it, I cried too during the song, it's so perfect isn't it? Perfectly fitting for the situation, and that little girl has had two treatments, or courses of treatment, the first time she had to be sedated for them to do it, but the second time is what they filmed and it was after the first treatment already began to work.

I would definitely send links if you have some about it, post them here even, who knows maybe that mother will end up being drawn here to this thread, wouldn't that be something? If she registered at BT and posted with us for even a day sharing her story? A mom can dream...*sigh* I needed this today too, something to give hope when it's seeming to be dark and dim...Glad you enjoyed the clips like I did Kristen. :)

[milivica]

I gotta look at this tomorrow...I'm pretty sure I know what stem cells means, anyhow, I'll look at it tomorrow - seems interesting!

[Pamster]

Wow, I am still reeling from the implications of what this means...Did you have time to watch the videos yet Lisa? ;)

[Kristen (ColeysMom)]

I know...I'm tingling at the thought...but don't want to get too anxious...I just wanna call the geneticist!

[Pamster]

Yeah I hear ya Kristen! :) Was talking with my mother about this today as we go out on saturdays with Jackie and he was doing so well, it's heartwarming to see him doing so well. But I have to wonder if he couldn't be doing a heckuva lot better if he had some stem cells going on it makes me wish I had seen these videos before our last Neuro appt earlier this month so I could have asked about the MRI and if he had those two things, inflamation and hyposomething or other...Definitely makes me wonder about it though.

I was thinking about it...and what if we hear soon that CPS goes after them for giving their daughter an untested treatment? Or what is NOT FDA approved? I would be so heartbroken for the family if something like that happened....but it wouldn't surprise me in this day and age you know? :(

[Isabelle]

there is an answer for that, a few weeks ago, in my local paper, some scientist explained why the delay with stem cells treatment....how to tell them to go and repair this particular part of the body, just the will of the doctor was not enough, injecting in the area was tricky with a higher percentage of missing then hitting.
i am trying to find the article again....on googling, be back

[Pamster]

Thanks Isabelle! :D

[Isabelle]

no luck!
but i found several articles/sites discussing the facts of "successful" treatments with stem cells, apparently "is not useful", but some doctors/scientists are saying "thousands had been cured" and they are going after desperate parents of the autistic a.k.a. "lab rats" to experiment on. so watch out !
as you know many children diagnosed with "autism" has "recovered" with intervention and without, pointing to a late maturation of the immune and nervous system, so anybody using any "treatment" on a autistic child and suddenly the child "recovers" could claim an easy victory.
clean diet and supplementation will be always the best bet..... and, at the end, adequate human support

[Pamster]

That is what scares me too Isabelle, them u sing our kids as lab rats. I wouldn't sign up for this just becaues I saw some youtube videos you know? This is SERIOUS stuff and you have to think about the long term effects...which they don't know about yet...Thanks for trying to find that article you saw though, I am off to bed. :D

[milivica]

Wow, I am still reeling from the implications of what this means...Did you have time to watch the videos yet Lisa? ;)

ACK I'm sorry, I forgot again...give me till Monday when the kids are at school? I want to watch all of them, everything sounds intriguing.

[milivica]

Ok, try and subdue your yuck factor, cause I'm going to tell you what I really think, what seems logical to me.

I watched the stem cell video. Realize, I do not understand the full implications of being injected with (ethical) stem cells. But, sounds like they have been doing this since the 40's, just for my gut problems alone I'd be willing to take a shot of them things, why not. As for Vincent, not so much. I'd have to study way more on it. This is the first I've heard about hypoperfusion - if Vince has hypoperfusion and the treatment recommended is (ethical) stem cell injection, yes I do believe I would. Just as I also would for Carmen who is nt. I would treat any medical problem medically, being autistic would not enter into my decision.

Kind of makes me wonder, if this is the reason animal mothers are so compelled to eat their placentas after birth - not just to cover the scent, but some inner repair that happens from doing so, no instinct or nature drives them to do so for more than one reason. Makes me wonder what the rate of autism and so many other things would be, if all mothers consumed the placenta (ack, yuck, choke) and received the benefits of that, as would all future children. See what I'm saying? Animals of other species eat the placentas of animals, such as a flock of birds present at a birth. Nature can be gross, but everything that happens in nature has a reason, a balancing effect. What would happen to the human race, after just one generation (20 years) of consuming the placenta is what I wonder.

I'll tell you what, I'd want to be knocked out cold and get a feeding tube ingest my placenta, but I'd do it, I really would. I see nothing wrong with it. If injecting stem cells give the same effect, I'm all for it - do it to the mom right after she gives birth, with the blood from the placenta she just passed. Start some protocol that does that seems something logical to explore the idea of. The benefits of that will pass down to her baby in the milk as well. I'd like to see a protocol like that immediately, cannot see what could be negative in being injected with your own blood from your own baby's placenta after birth, if it's supposed to be such great healing blood and all. I'd do it.

[milivica]

OH question, if the hypoperfusion is true, then why wouldn't an autistic child with hypoperfusion experience temporary relief from swelling/lack of blood flow from taking a dose of regular aspirin? That helps both blood flow and swelling. Many meds increase blood flow, many meds reduce inflamation, so one of my first thoughts was, if hypoperfusion is present, wouldn't there then be temporary relief of, and improvement for an autistic child with those meds?

Also, ethically or legally, since an inflamed brain with lack of blood flow to certain areas is physical, like say a broken arm, what's with the $15,000 bill for stem cells from cord - there's no shortage of them, babies are born constantly. For some reason, I have this feeling and could be completely wrong...an answer that is real is going to be accessible to all - just as (sadly) autism is accessible to all. Just my gut feeling.

[Isabelle]

mili, about eating your placenta like animals, why not? did the eskimos/innuit eat it? do you know what they did with it? at all events spiced it with cayenne, perhaps it'd taste like anticuchos.....:D ;)

but, seriously, fancy words to impress parents so they think they know what they are talking about...but keep on reading, they say "thousands" have been helped. read the "real" scientific studies they have no control over the stem cells....no yet.

[peglem]

On eating the placenta...@ 25 years ago, my best friend was pregnant and kinda into the natural stuff. She picked up some natural motherhood magazine- It had a rather long article on the benefits of eating the placenta ( I don't remember what the benefits were because I was so grossed out). But, first you were not supposed to cut the cord, but place the placenta in a bowl next to the child (for I can't remember how long) because it was supposed to be traumatic for the child to be separated from his/her long time wombmate. So anyway, the mag had recipes for placenta spaghetti and lasagna!!! How d'you feel about that Italian food now,Grimey? My friend DID NOT eat her placenta and the cord was promptly cut after birth.

[milivica]

I remember reading here from Peta and Happi, that you're not supposed to cut the cord right away cause of the blood the baby gets from the placenta, something like that, but anyway that it's much healthier for the baby.

Someone here might know more about that.

But rather than consume something I know would give me the heaves big time, I don't see why not get a shot of the cord blood.

Talk about a new challenge for fear factor, eating placenta's. ACK!

I don't watch that show anyhow, I don't like to see anything, even bugs hurt for 'entertainment', seems wrong.

[Kristen (ColeysMom)]

Mili, this is a HUGE topic for preemies. Technically the cord is not supposed to be cut until the baby takes their first breath, or depending on how much of a naturalist the doc is, until the baby is breathy WELL on their own...because the placenta is what provides the baby with oxygen, as long as it is attached to the mom.

So, what happens often with preemies is that because there are SO many other issues to deal with, but underdeveloped lungs being a big thing, there is an argument to keep the baby attached until they are ventalated...but balancing that withthe need to care or treat some other more immediate issue...like transfusion, heart issues, ect.

But there are also other reports where kids born FT or with some other issues were cut and were deprived of oxygen and that it caused brain injury...because the doc just didn't wait for the lungs to fill up before he clamped away...

[milivica]

But there are also other reports where kids born FT or with some other issues were cut and were deprived of oxygen and that it caused brain injury...because the doc just didn't wait for the lungs to fill up before he clamped away...

OMG! I had no idea about this, had no idea it was so important. It's like living in an insane asylum, why isn't this kind of thing just standard protocol then? I'm sure it's got something to do with money, just tragic.

[Kristen (ColeysMom)]

It's one of those things that is becoming more spot-lighted. Like episiotomies...just to stay on the same subject...those are now not done (except by old timers)...because they've learned that, as my mid wife put it:

"it's like a piece of paper...if you have a small tear in it, it is much more easily ripped straight through, versus not ripped at all."

like perferated paper...

Apparently the rate of infection due to the wound (sliced or ripped or both) is what inspired the change... From that they have learned that less tearing occured when salicing was avoided. So the practice has all but stopped...unless necessary for obvious reasons.

But you get the idea...

[Pamster]

Wow I had no idea....That is probably what happened with Jackie, WHY don't the darn doctors WAIT long enough they should know that it's probably first year medical school stuff! :mad:

[Kristen (ColeysMom)]

You know why Pam...because they need a friggin research study that costs tax payers millions to conclude & state the obvious...because apparently some where along the line in their medical training common sense goes out the window!

Wait that reminds me of something that, was it Steven Wright? who said:

Why is common sense so uncommon!? :rolleyes:

[Isabelle]

common sense went out of the window when male doctors took up golf

[Pamster]

That makes me so angry...I wish I knew where the video of his birth is so I could watch it over...I do think he clamped it off right away before JAckie made a sound, like as he passed him over...Daggonnit. That is what happened, I just know it is. :(