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Sonsie
06-27-2007, 06:44 PM
What Michael Moore left on the cutting room floor

By Helen Evans, director of Nurses for Reform, a pan-European network of nurses dedicated to consumer-oriented reform of European health-care systems

Published June 26, 2007

Michael Moore's denunciation of America's health-care system is about to hit the silver screen. In the film's trailer, a desk attendant at a British hospital smiles while explaining that in Britain's National Health Service, "everything is free." But for free hospital care, Britons pay an awfully high price.

Just ask the nearly 1 million British patients on waiting lists for treatment. Or the 200,000 Britons currently waiting merely to get on NHS waiting lists. Mr. Moore must have missed those folks.

Curiously, though, many American policymakers seem to think that a government-managed, NHS-style system is the answer to all of America's health-care woes. Before heading down that road, however, America's leaders ought to actually investigate Britain's experience with state-sponsored medical care.

Upon launching its state health service in 1948, the British government promised that it would provide its citizens with all the "medical, dental and nursing care" needed, so that "everyone -- rich or poor -- [could] use it." To make good on its plans, the government nationalized more than 3,000 independent hospitals, clinics and care homes.

But today, after nearly six decades of attempting to make socialized medicine work, the NHS is in a perilous state.

Consider waiting lists. Across Britain, patients wait years for routine -- or even emergency -- treatments. And many die while waiting.

Indeed, the NHS cancels around 100,000 operations because of shortages each year. In a growing number of communities, it is increasingly difficult for people to simply get an appointment with an NHS general practitioner for a regular checkup.

Further, when it comes to keeping patients healthy, NHS hospitals are notoriously unfit. After admittance to state hospitals, more than 10 percent of patients contract infections and illnesses that they did not have prior to arrival. And according to the Malnutrition Advisory Group, up to 60 percent of NHS patients are undernourished during inpatient stays.

Consequently, many Britons have turned to outside practitioners for treatment, and the private health-care market has boomed. Today, more than 6.5 million people have private medical insurance, 6 million have cash plans, 8 million pay out-of-pocket for a range of complimentary therapies, and 250,000 self-fund each year for private surgery. Millions more opt for private dentistry, ophthalmics and long-term care.

Meanwhile, despite the state's continued claims that it can deliver quality health care to all, government ministers are increasingly willing to quietly outsource health care to the private sector. In other words, instead of directly providing health care through the NHS, the British government is shifting to simply paying the bills.

In 2000, Tony Blair's government authorized the treatment of state-funded patients in private hospitals for the first time. More recently, the government has made it clear that it would like all NHS hospitals to be recast as Independent Foundation Trusts able to attract private investment.

But even with these efforts, the British government has found it hard to cover its expensive obligations. So in addition to waiting lists, substandard care and increased outsourcing, the government has adopted outright rationing to control costs.

Through a concept called "Health Technology Assessments," the United Kingdom now empowers government-appointed experts to dictate which drugs, procedures and treatments are available for public consumption. Charged with controlling costs and watching the bottom line, these bureaucrats are expected to save money -- not lives.

Already, this system has barred the purchase of Herceptin, a lifesaving breast-cancer drug. Alzheimer's patients have had trouble obtaining Aricept, a drug that improves cognition in those afflicted with the degenerative disease.

The criteria for these denials of care are kept from the public. And patients who could be saved needlessly die.

Rationing, as history proves time and again, is always a recipe for horror.

The U.S. health-care system certainly has its shortfalls. But the solution to America's woes can't be found in the U.K. -- no matter how many movie tickets Mr. Moore sells.

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Helen Evans is director of Nurses for Reform, a pan-European network of nurses dedicated to consumer-oriented reform of European health-care systems.

Copyright © 2007, Chicago Tribune

Buttons2
06-28-2007, 05:17 PM
I probably won't see Moore's documentary for a long time. Is it all about comparing our health care in the US to other countries?

I could write a book about my own experiences (and everyone else I know),with the HMO's we are forced to use for medical care! There's a standing joke in my area about one of the local hospitals,go there if you need to die!

In my opinion we will not see quality health care @ affordable prices in the US until big pharm. is no longer running the system. We just had an article in the local paper about the shortages of doctor's in rural areas. This is why every new doctor is from a foreign country.

We are like cattle going through a chute. You go to see your PCP,you have any kind of issue & you are referred to a specialist. This can take weeks or months. The specialist will be approved for perhaps 3 visits. It's like a game,sometimes you get lucky & sometimes you do not.

But ya know what my personal biggest gripe is (and I have alot of them)? The staff in the office! What has happened to professionalism? I can't figure out how these gum chewing,gossiping,sloppy dressed nitwits get hired! They are downright rude! What happened to common manners? Hello,how are you today? How many times have you had to hobble down the hallway trying to keep up with a nurse going like there's a fire?

And I've said this before-everyone should get copies of doctor's notes! What happens in that little exam room & what they write down is an eye opener! It's caused me to cry more than once.

I've been active on a Canadian lyme forum & have not read much negative about their health care.....maybe I missed it? I realize it takes months for MRI's to be approved for instance,but for many people in the US just getting into a neuro takes alot of alarming symptoms & then you are lucky to actually get a diagnosis!

I don't have any answers to all this. Just wish we could go back to a time I recall when we had one doctor that actually wanted to help us get better & wasn't so close minded as to think they are God of all health!

I figure the internet is changing the health scene in ways nobody envisioned. We can find answers on our own now. We can relate to real people with similiar conditions. We can research all those drugs so easily pushed on us. We are no longer the fools they like to think we are!

And while I'm on my rant.....any politician that claims to have an answer to our health care problem is a buffoon lying through his/her mouth! I have ONE suggestion however,let every person in US have access to the exact type of care the politicians receive!!

Buttons, the burnt out on health care gal!

Erin
06-28-2007, 06:56 PM
After I got Optic Neuritis last fall, I started collecting the reports from my medical records. Everytime I go to visit a doctor, I ask that they leave a copy of the report at the front desk for me. I dont allow them to mail my records to me. (live with parents, and they still think they're allowed to open my mail)

I've also changed my phone number in my records to my cellphone and not my home phone. Because my mother has a nasty habit of picking up the phone and not hanging up when I ask her to. (noticed that my home number is scattered all over my records, and the nurses/doctors dont bother to check the front page that says not to call the home number)

I've got pretty decent insurance because my dad (a nurse anesthetist) has made sure that I have it. (I'm not working right now, cant afford to pay for it on my own) I've seen tho, how difficult it is to see a doctor without insurance. My boyfriend didnt have insurance until last April. Before he got it, he'd have serious financial problems everytime he got sick enough with a cold or flu to go see the doctor. Plus, he has high blood pressure and his meds are expensive without insurance. Now he's been able to get insurance he's been able to get his meds for hundreds of dollars cheaper. (no idea what he's on)

It would be nice if the government would give us insurance...either free or discounted. I just dont think the quality of healthcare would go up. If anything I think it would go down.

I agree about the lack of professionalism in some doctor's offices. When I had a back injury in 1999, I sat on the exam bed, while the office secretary (the doctor's wife) yelled at the doctor because the partner (another doctor) was treating the secretary like dirt. I was there to be seen as a patient, and not a witness to a doctor and his wife complaining to each other about the other doctors in the office.

Plus, I had a dentist throw a drill across the room just because my body doesnt process dental anesthetics the way people normally do. He tossed the drill, pushed the equipment tray away (knocking something off of it) and threw his gloves at the dental assistant. All the while swearing (at me, possibly?) and stomped off, telling me to make another appointment. That was almost three years ago. I've never been back, and I'm in desperate need of a dentist right now.

And just a few weeks ago I was yelled at by a nurse in my regular doctor's office because I was asking them if they would draw blood for my Igenex Western Blot. She told me that I dont have Lyme (wow...she can diagnose over the phone, without bloodtests or any proof!) and basically inferred that I'm a nutjob.

There seems to be an attitude of annoyance that nurses and some doctors display very vividly to their patients...as if we were disturbing their day just by being there.

Buttons2
06-29-2007, 04:11 PM
I just have to add this to my story: NEVER go for any tests or procedures on New Year's Eve!! I could hear the party going on through the door when I was left on the x-ray table for 45 mintues! The table was too high for me to jump off,was there for my back.....I was blowing smoke out of my ears by the time someone came in & asked why I was still there!

lymebytes
06-30-2007, 08:51 PM
I plan on seeing this movie. I think it is beneficial because it brings attention to a major problem--health care in the United States is profit oriented.

It is terrible that we have to deal with these diseases, and it is deplorable that the insurance companies do not cover testing and doctor appointments.

Buttons2
07-01-2007, 04:06 PM
My local paper is providing articles about this documentary,one thing today stuck out for me: it's the EMPLOYER'S that make the decisions about what the insurance co should provide......I find that rather doubtful,what do you think? And one CEO of an insurance co. is making over $8 million a year! How do these people sleep @ night? Bet they get all the procedures they need!

We'd have to be pretty ignorant or naive to believe these huge profits would ever be given over to government control!

So far the reviews I've read are positive, apparently there is some humor to be seen in the film also.....let us know Sonsie!

Sonsie
07-02-2007, 02:25 PM
So far the reviews I've read are positive, apparently there is some humor to be seen in the film also.....let us know Sonsie!
Hey, everyone. Just to clarify things: I post stuff here because I think folks might find them interesting and educational, not because I have any particular agenda to push. (When I have an opinion, I identify it as such. ;) ) I know some of you think I want to MAKE people do or believe a certain way. Not true. (And how stupid is that concept -- how could I possibly make anyone do anything? I don't even know you! :p ) I DO want everyone to have the facts. Absolutely! Can't figure out why folks would come here asking questions, if they don't want answers that are factual.... :confused:

Obviously, this movie was made by Michael Moore, so it will be a mix of fact, misrepresentations, and humor, as well as horrible examples of how people have been treated. Doesn't mean he's right. Doesn't mean he's wrong. What it does mean is that he is free to say what he wants, and we are free to pay to hear it, or not. I have no idea at this point whether I'll see it. Probably, eventually, because I am the type who likes to be informed about what sorts of things sway public opinion one way or the other. But please don't count on me to give you a what's what on it.

I am having email exchanges right now with a British friend of mine (who lives in the U.S.) over this woman's article -- he disagrees strongly with her, and it is interesting to hear what his thoughts are. (I will not be sharing them with you, as our exchanges are not related to this group.)

Buttons2
07-02-2007, 04:51 PM
Michael Moore should do a documentary on Lyme disease! Talk about awareness & controversary(sp)! Just his kind of thing I'd think.